I suppose it rankles more on here because we gave him so many chances which he threw back in the club's face.
Salford & Widnes before them were always in denial about "when" not "if" this was going to happen.

Hock is still one of my favourite players to watch. IMO, on his day, hes one of the top 2nd rowers in the world

Just a shame hes a complete tool

I think Hock is the type of character that no coach could keep on the straight and narrow. He just doesnt seem to think before he reacts and after seeing him on Super League Supermen, discussing things like being kicked out of the England set up, he just doesnt understand why he has done wrong in the past.

Hock blew his final, final chance when he walked away from Parramatta and took the easy money on offer. I'm struggling to think up someone in any sport who has found so many ways to squander away god given talents. It's enough to make you weep when you compare his talent and potential with someone like JJB, a man I admire who has made a great career through dedication, attitude and selflessness.

Hock 'could' have been a great player.

My old Dad mentioned another one who could have been great from the 1940's called Billy Ritchie.

Apparently, a mate of my Dad, as was RL legend Martin Ryan. He was a mate of Ryans too. My old Dad knew RL legend Jim Sullivan from his friendship with Martin Ryan.

Anyway Ritchie said "I'll drink when I like !".

"I am not having the club telling me when I can have a pint."

My old Dad said he had more skill than scrumhalfs like Andy Gregory.

What chances of Sir Kev getting a ban after his red last night?

Strip him of his Knighthood, the bounder.

You have got to admit though he has got the forehead for doing what he did.

Grade C offence IMO.
egp and/or exemplary record will give him a two match ban.

I'd be amazed if he didn't, nothing too over the top though, it helps that he got a punishment at the time as well. 2-3 games given his good record I'd say

Two match ban.

They won't ban him for the cup semi-final.

Well at least they'd be consistent as they arranged for Matty Bowen to play in the World Club Championship.

why who did Bowen head butt?

at least compare apples to apples.

The comparison was about (potentially) bans not effecting big games, not the offences being the same.

Really Bowen should've got a ban for the one he did if being honest.

And it's not a Leeds bias thing as I wouldn't disagree if Sinfield gets 3 matches and misses the Wire cup game.

Had we been out of the cup the next three games would've been Salford, Bradford, London. Even I'd admit the odds of it being 3 would be stronger if that was the fixture list.

Deary me. It's a bit complicated for you is it. They both committed offences which should have led to a long ban. There, do you understand now?

difference being one head butted a player deliberate foul play and the other tackled a player high with a swinging arm. Like i said compare apples to apples, you would have a point if bowen head butt grix and didn't get banned.