FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > Wigan Warriors > "I love it when a plan comes together"
36 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Pemps
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach750No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2014Jun 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: jinkin jimmy "Not quite true. I'm not arguing with jonh but I'm am agreeing with DaveO in that, peaking notwithstanding, our aim would have been to win every game we played. I don't care what we were doing in training other than it clearly worked, but even jonh would agree the players have always tried to win on every occasion and haven't taken their foot off the gas. Rather, their physical and maybe mental preparation for certain games wasn't - and indeed couldn't according to jonh - be maintained every week.'"


You cant go balls out every week in practice and then in comp every athlete in the world has periods of peaking and de-loading within a training block. Its just a relativley new thing for us fans to get our heads around.

Usain Bolt doesnt go the track every day and then sprint as fast as he can for an hour. He sets to peak for the major events, which is why he may get beat in the circuit races, but not on the big stage.

Fans just need to get there heads around periods of under performing as the players cycle through peaks and ramping phases. Which as a fan is easier said than done.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1522No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2022May 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: DaveO "We didn't stop trying. As someone else said previously it's not a computer game were set yourself to you play at 70%.

Anyone who has played a team game knows, if you go out half cocked you get mullered. We didn't go out half cocked.

We lost some games due to poor form, simple enough to my mind.

What has been fantastic is despite that, we turned it around and had a fantastic play off series and GF.'"

We did stop tryin thats why Sam is off to the NRL because Wigan didnt need to try against Salford and Widnes etc etc, Micky Mac was kept ticking over while Logan was given a chance in the team. Get the poor form out of your head we rested key players so they could perform in the business end of the season. I really do wonder if that brain cell in your head is lonely

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach3787No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2020Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Sharpy_4a "You cant go balls out every week in practice and then in comp every athlete in the world has periods of peaking and de-loading within a training block. Its just a relativley new thing for us fans to get our heads around.

Usain Bolt doesnt go the track every day and then sprint as fast as he can for an hour. He sets to peak for the major events, which is why he may get beat in the circuit races, but not on the big stage.

Fans just need to get there heads around periods of under performing as the players cycle through peaks and ramping phases. Which as a fan is easier said than done.'"

I agree as the evidence is clear. However, Bolt doesn't plan to finish second, it is just a result of his condition. There are some on here who would appear to believe that Bolt deliberately loses lesser races to win the big ones, that is my point.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach750No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2014Jun 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: jinkin jimmy "I agree as the evidence is clear. However, Bolt doesn't plan to finish second, it is just a result of his condition. There are some on here who would appear to believe that Bolt deliberately loses lesser races to win the big ones, that is my point.'"


The least they could do though is admit they don t know what they are talking about though dont you think? But i imagine the best bet would be that they will spin it via a reply of war and peace proportions so we get bored by the third chapter.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5846
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: jonh " Dave, let me explain something called peaking to you. Something that Wane as a coach has been criticised for not doing with his team in the past and something both he and his coaching team deserve massive credit for this year as in the second half we were running round like it was the first game if the season and Wire were playing with lead in their boots. Snip '"


Excellent post.. But you may as well go bang your head against a wall if you expect all to get a grasp of it...

icon_biggrin.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Star1522No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2022May 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Dave read this book it explains how peaking is achieved
" Bowerman and the Men of Oregon: The Story of Oregon's Legendary Coach and Nike's Cofounder"

this is the man who created the Oregon team training methods - the team who train Mo Farah. Its a good read I recommend it for everyone, one of those you can pick up and read bits at lunchtime or dare I say it - a good toilet read lol

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman5443
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2018Aug 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: jonh "Dave, let me explain something called peaking to you...'"


Exactly.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member20428No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



The plan is never to lose games, but the plan is to go into some games of the year not physically at the height if your powers but yet to still win.

Sometimes that is achievable sometimes it is not. For us it was not but the plan still came together perfectly in the long run.

RankPostsTeam
International Star3922
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



We went 5 points clear in the league and simply had to pull back on that front to sustain the charge for a double. Half cooked sides, jammed with youth and injuries meant we had to pull back.

When you look at the season as a whole it does point towards one thing and that's Wigan being the best team in 2013.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman3420
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



I don't believe for one second that we "wanted to lose".

However, we simply didn't mind if we lost, as the job (achieve a top-4 play-off place) was done.

That's why so many kids were in the team toward the end of the season.

Also, it will do them good, as they now have more experience of what to expect, whenever they need to step up again.

RankPostsTeam
International Star3922
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Pie Eyed "I don't believe for one second that we "wanted to lose".

However, we simply didn't mind if we lost, as the job (achieve a top-4 play-off place) was done.

That's why so many kids were in the team toward the end of the season.

Also, it will do them good, as they now have more experience of what to expect, whenever they need to step up again.'"


All comes down to focus and what you want from the match.

Perfect example is our loss to Huddersfield. Huddersfield were playing in their cup final that day we had ours 2 weeks later. You could see the marked difference.

When it comes to a month later and both are going for the same goal there's only one clear cut winner.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: Mash Butty "Dave read this book it explains how peaking is achieved
" Bowerman and the Men of Oregon

That sounds like an interesting read. Off on holiday to Skye at half term so a good opportunity to read it in th evenings. If I can get hold of a copy I'll let you know if I think that is what Wigan did.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: jinkin jimmy "I agree as the evidence is clear. However, Bolt doesn't plan to finish second, it is just a result of his condition. There are some on here who would appear to believe that Bolt deliberately loses lesser races to win the big ones, that is my point.'"


Hit the nail on the head.

I am sure it was quite deliberate we played who we did v Hull at the DW but that team wanted to win the game. The week after, the Superman game, we had to have a full team out given the sponsorship but neither team wanted to lose that either.

For the "take the foot off the gas" theory to have any validity that game should have been a damp squib and Leeds, past masters at "peaking" apparently, should not have played as they did.

I readily accept Wane will rest players in certain games more than he might if the league leaders was the way to win the title but I don't accept when we have a full team out, they are sent out not to try and win the game.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach86No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200817 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2013Oct 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Interesting stuff, especially the long post from jonh regarding conditioning, about which I previously knew next to nothing.

I am quite sure that the players on the pitch are totally focussed on winning the game. However the team selection is another matter. As DaveO says above, sometimes players are rested and presumably that means that the club takes the view that winning that game is not as important as preserving the condition of the rested players for other games.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach7152
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2020Jun 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Back when winning the League was the big prize players would take the field carrying all sorts of knocks, playing through pain-killing injections and with copious amounts of strapping and physiotherapy. The 'Mission Impossible' season for example - I'd bet my house almost every player was turning out with knocks galore in that final run-in.

Now fast-forward to 2013 and once it was clear we would definitely finished top 4, Wane could allow key players (almost) all the time they needed - I say almost because Wembley was obviously a 'must-win'. The final few regular season games could be lost without much consequence. They didn't really matter. The Hull game being the most glaring example.

That's not to say teams EVER go out to lose. Any who's ever played would laugh at the idea. But the fact is Wane, quite rightly, has been able to allow sufficient recovery or rest time for the likes of Lockers, Sam, and Green and others without endangering our play-off prospects, which meant he could then select his strongest sides when it counted.

I appreciate jonh's post may well be entirely correct and Bitcon is just about the best in the business. But alongside that by around June/July we had room to allow key players to rest and recover when required and to blood youngsters, which also helped the squad peak when it counted.

36 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Pemps
36 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Pemps



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


9.96435546875:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
How many games will we win
Butcher
37
2m
Film game
karetaker
5739
6m
Rumours and signings v9
jonh
28898
7m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
7
13m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4043
13m
Salford placed in special measures
Butcher
108
21m
Game - Song Titles
Wildmoggy
40793
24m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wildmoggy
63261
50m
Pre Season - 2025
HU8HFC
189
58m
Salford
Wires71
53
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
57s
Pre Season - 2025
HU8HFC
189
1m
Salford
Wires71
53
1m
Planning for next season
Bent&Bon
184
2m
Salford placed in special measures
Butcher
108
2m
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Bent&Bon
6
2m
Castleford sack Lingard
Another Cas
16
3m
IMG Score
Bull Mania
83
3m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
7
4m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wildmoggy
63261
8m
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
7
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Butcher
37
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Wires71
53
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M +21,710 80,15614,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 2nd Mar 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R1
04:30
Penrith
v
Cronulla
06:30
Canberra
v
NZ Warriors
 Thu 6th Mar 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R1
09:00
Sydney
v
Brisbane
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Hull FC
v
Leigh
 Fri 7th Mar 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R1
07:00
Wests
v
Newcastle
09:00
Dolphins
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Castleford
v
Salford
20:00
St.Helens
v
Hull KR
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
How many games will we win
Butcher
37
2m
Film game
karetaker
5739
6m
Rumours and signings v9
jonh
28898
7m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
7
13m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4043
13m
Salford placed in special measures
Butcher
108
21m
Game - Song Titles
Wildmoggy
40793
24m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wildmoggy
63261
50m
Pre Season - 2025
HU8HFC
189
58m
Salford
Wires71
53
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
57s
Pre Season - 2025
HU8HFC
189
1m
Salford
Wires71
53
1m
Planning for next season
Bent&Bon
184
2m
Salford placed in special measures
Butcher
108
2m
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Bent&Bon
6
2m
Castleford sack Lingard
Another Cas
16
3m
IMG Score
Bull Mania
83
3m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
7
4m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wildmoggy
63261
8m
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
7
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Butcher
37
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Wires71
53
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!