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The changes for next year will be minimal.
Bowen in at full back, Burgess, or Briscoe at 5. I do think Thornley will get the 4 shirt, it is his to lose after his Cup Final performance.
In the forwards we've Mossop and Tuson leaving with Powell here and Hopkins plus Pettybourne signed.
Shaun Wane will go for size in the forwards, continuity in the halves, and minimal changes to the backs.

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Quote: Bill Sonny "Agree in principle with what you say, however I have no problems with throwing in a rookie on the wing. Burgess I have no doubt will do fine. I'd prefer him to have a more experienced centre inside him, but Wing I don't think is much of a problem, he showed great potential in the game against Hull KR and I think he's definitely a starting winger for us in the future'"


Tbh I don't think we'd be doing either of them any favours to have Burgess on the wing with Thornley as his centre. Thornley has had a few shaky moments in defence and I think such an inexperienced partnership could have a torrid time, a la Joel and Charnley fairly often during 2011.

I just think a backline of:

Hampshire
Charnley
Goulding
Thornley
Burgess

is far too inexperienced for 2014 and can see why we have been looking at players like Minichello, Brisco and Bowen to help the development of the likes of Hampshire and Burgess over a season or two, rather than throwing them in the deep end with only a handful of first team appearances between them. I don't know whether Briscoe is still a target or not, but if he still has NRL aspirations he could also be a stop-gap type signing with Burgess taking over when he goes to Australia?

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Like the earlier poster stated, we have 27 regular season games for the players to gain experience next season. They are competitive friendlies and the final result in th does not decide major trophies.

Thankfully that will change in 2015 with a top 4 playoff system.

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Quote: DaveO "We will have to see how he goes in the NRL to judge that as this year he hasn't exactly had George C on his inside and we haven't really used his height with kicks to his wing as much as in the past. If he doesn't look as effective it's not necessarily because he is shot.

Saying we need to replace his goal kicking is an understatement. Ever since the days of Frano a top goal kicker has won us many a game and I think we will really suffer next year if we don't sort this out.

I don't think anyone has posted he isn't a quality player have they? People are concerned about his knees which is a totally different thing. This is fair enough for a player of his age with two knee reconstructions.

I have been watching you tube video's of him since the rumour surfaces and he is a great player but if his knees are deemed OK by his current clubs medical staff I expect him to stay put. That is what all those down under want to see anyway reading the newspaper reports. If he is up to it they don't want him to leave.

I don't think you will see any change there though haven't we supposed to have signed Sarginson who can play centre? Then again he might also be our new full back if Sam goes and Bowen isn't.'"


I agree in relation to centre I do not think we will be bringing in any real quality to the position, but I still think this is our weakest area.

Richards was never really a goal kicker before he joined us and he was coached to so maybe it is something we could look at again. I do not want us to bring in an average player who kicks, at risk of missing out on quality that don't. Charnley would be a candidate I guess, I cannot see where we will be looking to fit a kicker in if we are looking outside the club other than as a replacement for Sam or Pat at 1 or wing.

In relation to Pat as a player he has lost yards of pace, and I would be disappointed if we were not able to recruit or promote with a superior player.

The concern with Bowen seems to be coming from the conditioning team who say his results in the off season are gradually reducing year on year, which is to be expected at his age. His performances though are still quality and we will be in a position to blood Hampshire or Tierney and also use Bowen throughout the year as and when the fixture list dictated.

There are plenty of older and some not so old players who rarely train to anywhere near full capacity in the week but still do it on match day.

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I wouldn't have a problem bringing in Bowen. He is a very experienced player and will be a useful addition to the team.

However, what I would have a problem with if he is the only player we get, and is called a "replacement" for Sam.

The reality is that next year with Sam, Pat, Mossop all leaving, it should mean we have a lot of CC space to play around with.

As a Wigan supporter I would like that to be used.

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Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "I think the main difference between giving someone like Farrell a regular place in the squad in 2010 and Charnley in 2011 compared to Burgess/Hampshire in 2014 is the difference in the experienced players around them. In 2010 we had the likes of Fielden, Coley, Riddell, Carmont, Gleeson, Joel, Deacon who were all very experienced players who could help the young lads come on. The following year players like Charnley, Marsh and Tuson were given opportunities but we'd brought in Finch, Hoffman and Lima.'"


Good points. I have said the same thing myself. Several of our young players have potential but it could backfire if we chuck 'em all in at once. It did when Kevin Brown (and others at that time) broke into the side.

We will still have Lockers and other experienced players but if they are injured we could see a very inexperienced side take the field. It wouldn't take many injuries to leave us with a very young side.

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Quote: Grimmy "I'd have no problems with

Bold considering we yet have no idea if Tierney, Hampshire or Williams will make it. rewind several years and people were regularly 'not having problems with 'Ainscough, Stanton, Sam Gee, Marsh, Mellor etc in their team. Not of which made the step up at Wigan.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Bold considering we yet have no idea if Tierney, Hampshire or Williams will make it. rewind several years and people were regularly 'not having problems with 'Ainscough, Stanton, Sam Gee, Marsh, Mellor etc in their team. Not of which made the step up at Wigan.'"

I can't remember anyone saying anyone wanting to give any of them a first 13 squad number apart from Ainscough. Obviously I'm guessing about what will happen in '15 and '16 but I'd hope the club are at least planning three seasons ahead, even if these plans do get tweaked further down the line.

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I STILL THINK TOP 5 WAS BEST SCENARIO. TOP TEAM HAD TO LOSE TWICE ON THE BOUNCE BOTH AT HOME TO MISS OUT ON FINAL...

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: pie.warrior "I STILL THINK TOP 5 WAS BEST SCENARIO. TOP TEAM HAD TO LOSE TWICE ON THE BOUNCE BOTH AT HOME TO MISS OUT ON FINAL...'"

WE DIDN'T LOSE TWICE ON THE BOUNCE, WE BEAT LES CATALANS AND LOST TO LEEDS

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Quote: Grimmy "I can't remember anyone saying anyone wanting to give any of them a first 13 squad number apart from Ainscough. Obviously I'm guessing about what will happen in '15 and '16 but I'd hope the club are at least planning three seasons ahead, even if these plans do get tweaked further down the line.'"


The point clearly remains. You seem happy with young untested players in our first team.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: Last Son of Wigan "The point clearly remains. You seem happy with young untested players in our first team.'"

Burgess has been tearing it up in the under 19s and looked great in the first team v Hull KR, there is always Manfredi as well who has also been playing very well. If neither of them work out (unlikely) then we can always put Thornley on the wing which has worked fine in the past. As for Tierney, he can get some game time over the next couple of seasons against the weaker sides with Bowen playing in the big games, so we'll know whether he's good enough to take the #1 shirt in 2016. Same with Hampshire and Williams, they can have game time off the bench, if they play poorly we have Powell and Logan, I'm sure one of the four will always be in good enough form to do a 20-30 minute stint, and one of (Hampshire, Williams and Powell) will be good enough for the #6 shirt in 2015 if Green doesn't roll his socks up.

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Quote: Grimmy "WE DIDN'T LOSE TWICE ON THE BOUNCE, WE BEAT LES CATALANS AND LOST TO LEEDS'"


THAT'S BECAUSE IT WASN'T A TOP 5 FORMAT. THAT IS WHY THE TOP 8 IS FLAWED....

TOP 5 WAS 1 V 2 WINNER TO FINAL ...LOSER PLAYED FOLLOWING WEEK IN ELIMINATION SEMI...WIN..GO TO FINAL...LOSE GO OUT....

SO TEAM AT TOP HAD 2 CHANCES BOTH AT HOME TO MAKE FINAL ...HAD TO LOSE BOTH NOT TO MAKE OLD TRAFFORD

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: pie.warrior "THAT'S BECAUSE IT WASN'T A TOP 5 FORMAT. THAT IS WHY THE TOP 8 IS FLAWED....

TOP 5 WAS 1 V 2 WINNER TO FINAL ...LOSER PLAYED FOLLOWING WEEK IN ELIMINATION SEMI...WIN..GO TO FINAL...LOSE GO OUT....

SO TEAM AT TOP HAD 2 CHANCES BOTH AT HOME TO MAKE FINAL ...HAD TO LOSE BOTH NOT TO MAKE OLD TRAFFORD'"

SORRY, I MISREAD WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE IT WAS ALL IN CAPS, I PREFER THE TOP 5 SYSTEM TOO

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