Really?

You have a very narrow and probably rather unfulfilled view of life and the game in that case.

Ever tried coaching any kids with that sort of attitude? (yours not theirs)

There are many "things that matter" my friend not just winning trophies.

You sound like the Wakefield of the world where taking part is all that matters because you know your methods is not good enough and you will never amount to anything in the game.

1 small point SL is not played by kids its played by professional athletes who play each game to win. And the goal is it win the Grand Final. What is yours for everyone to like you because you have a full life but an empty trophy room.

I have coached kids (RU not RL) and yes up to about U16 there are plenty important things other than just the win.

This isn't kids though and when they hit the U16's and later winning is very important so I am not sure of the relevance of any of this here.

I agree though the league is important. I pay my season ticket money expecting to be entertained and expecting to see my team win more often than lose. Entirely no point to going otherwise.

I also view the league and play-offs as separate. Maybe because my season ticket doesn't get me into the play offs!

I am also sure the clubs are grateful fans care about the league or there wouldn't be any clubs either.

At the end of the day though winning the league and nothing else won't keep Wane in a job no matter what the stats say.

Bugger me i agree.

The higher up is sports you go the bigger the reward the bigger the penalty. Its just unfortunate we have a game where you can win half your games in a season and still win 2 trophies.

Its about time the club rewarded the season ticket holders. Time to let them use the for the 1st play off game for free and the 2nd at half price. If we get a home game. I am not a season ticket holder but its embarrassing that so many seats are empty for those games. How much revenue would IL lose out on when we struggle to get 10k for them and many like me who do not have a season ticket do go to them if work allows it.

Sport is about winning / enjoyment / fulfilment / and playing within the rules (not cheating). Add that lot together and you have something worthy. I have enjoyed our Challenge Cups and Grand Final successes, but I still get a lot out of watching the team even if we lose. Of course winning trophies is what we aim for, but it's not the be-all-and-end-all.

Living your own life vicariously through the success of others can only lead to having an unfulfilled life I'm afrraid. So yes that would be more important than trophies.

Whether you like it or not Rugby league players do NOT have a win AT ALL costs attitude, and long may it continue, it's one of the reasons it's such a great game. If you want to see win-at-all-costs just watch professional football - diving to get players sent off, diving to win penalties, abusing the referee, cheating to gain any advantage however small - is commonplace.

And another small point. How patronising is your attitude towards Wakefield? Did you not go to the game last month and learn anything?

Unless you know IL personally you can't know that. It's possible that he is more enlightened than you and will take a longer term view weighing up all of the good things SW has done and weighing up all the things he needs to improve and coming to a balanced decision for the good of the club, rather than take some nonsensical dogmatic approach.

You are right Euclid. I think the hope of many including myself saw the continuity argument as a big factor in endorsing the appointment of Wane. Despite what some one eyed fans think I supported the appointment of Wane. So continuity and the fact that it was working perfectly meant any new coach was better resisting too much change too soon. I believe even the likes of Monie and possibly Lowe largely observed for a month before making changes. The Dorahay era is the best example of tampering with a successful system.

I miss watching the way we played under Maguire. The high completion, low error, grind it out at all costs philosophy that frustrated the hell out of our opposition players, coaches and fans.

I still scratch my head at why you changing a trophy winning formula. That showed no signs of being found out or tactically out thought. Tweaking of that formula I can appreciate and understand. But fundamental changes to a style that won us trophy's in 2010 and 2011, for no apparent reason. Pig headed in my book, nothing more nothing less.

It's one of the reasons for my absence on this forum in recent times.

Even the players game smarts and rugby brains don't seem quite as clinical as they did under Madge.

Never the less I'll continue to support the players through thick and thin no matter what, because as a fan that's what you do. Just when I clap, I won't clap happy.

How was i patronising to Wakefield its true for them its an achievement to make the top 8. Without the fear of relegation the owners of the clubs who 9 times out of 10 languish near the foot of the table so all they have in reality is taking part in the game. They will not win a trophy in the next 10 years. Yet is it acceptable for us to have that type of attitude on the field. I have argued with DaveO i think Wane is the right coach for us and that i do think we can win a trophy this season. But if we fail to make a final this season i do think he could go. As his contract is up and no announcement has been dame but i do think IL has the option of an extra year for him if he wants.

As for RL players not having a win at all cost attitude of course they do. What do you think they do when they do not go back 10 meters, push the ball out in the tackle, late hit on a player kicking the ball, Chicking Wing tackles and some players will even try and goad the ref into making a decision. Sam, Briers, Long and Faz are good at it.

If we do not get to any final this season will IL view it as success or failure.

Like everything else posted on here it's an opinion. I have already said I think he will be here next year but I believe if Wane doesn't deliver a CC or GF win soon after he will not keep the job.

History even under IL with Noble would suggest this not an unreasonable opinion to hold and I don't need to know IL to form it.

I think Liverpool in soccer with the "boot room" philosophy where one coach carried on the same approach as the last with little difference shows it does happen. I expected it to happen here for several reasons. First of all it clearly worked and delivered success so I didn't expect a change. Second Wane was part of the system and so having seen it work was, I thought, signed up to delivering it and was actually involved in coaching the players to play like this. Third as a rookie he would take what he had learned and would apply it, not change it.

If we had employed a coach from outside the club I'd have expected a change in tactics and approach and so this is why I was in favour of Wane. I thought he'd carry on the winning formula and as a rookie I was very surprised he decided to change it.

But you speak with such authority! ~Not everything on here is opinion, some posts are informed comment, some are indeed factual, some are barking mad!
Changing your mind is ok, the sign of an intelligent man. You previously posted that SW WILL be gone if he doesn't win anything, you now seem to be agreeing with me that IL will give him another year regardless! Thanks.

People are talking as though we were this all-conquering side under Madge, there were plenty of frustrating defeats to "lesser opposition" and he certainly didn't get the tactics right every time. Of the top of my head I can think of Bradford away in 2010 when we gave up a big lead, Harlequins at home, Leeds in the cup QF, Catalans at home in 2011. Plus we limped out of the playoffs in 2011 with two defeats to Saints, and we even needed the second bite of the cherry in 2010 becuase we lost to Leeds in week one.

Don't get me wrong, Madge is an excellent coach and was fantastic for this club. FWIW I don't think Wane did just throw out what Madge brought in, we still do a lot of the things we did in 2010/11, Shaun has just tried to open our attack up a bit. He's made mistakes with selections etc but so did Maguire. It seems to me that people are still trying to stick with the opinions they formed 2 years ago because SW doesn't speak with an Australian accent.

I appreciated this doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things but you only have to look at the two's winning record to see SW doesn't really deserve the criticism he is getting from a few.

2010 P 34 W 27 L 7
2011 P 36 W 26 L7 D3
Maguire Win % = 75%

2012 P 33 W 25 L 8
2013 P 22 W 17 L 4 D 1
Wane Win % = 76%

There is nothing contradictory in my often stated opinion that I think Wane will get another year and the opinion he will be sacked if he doesn't win a CC or GF soon after. I have been saying the exact same thing for months every time Wane comes up for discussion.