one day doesnt make a summer

The salary cap was started to put a limit on clubs spending 90% of their income on players wages. There was no other matter involved at the time.
The "making a league more competitive" came years later after it was found that the SC hadn't and wasn't stopping clubs going broke.
With 13 of the 14 SL clubs having wealthy backers who can and do bankroll clubs the SC surely has had its day?
It had never had any credibility with me as the RFL don't check the players tax returns and bank accounts. How can they simply accept the clubs words and figures saying they are paying a player a given amount with out verifying it. Total nonsense.

As for a system based on a clubs' youth production.
It could be called "Player Ratings".
The lowest rating for a player making the first team who came through the club's scholarship scheme.
A higher rating for a player who came from another scholarship scheme but transferred to a club where he played for the U19s and first team.
Second highest for a player who has been transferred as a first team player but not an International.
The highest rating for an International having changed clubs.

It would be convoluted and complex but it could be done. With being based on a youth production rating it would be transparent and understood by all.
The SC has to be confidential re players earnings but this then becomes secrecy when applied to the SC.
Secrecy is never good when trying to establish the credibility of anything.

I'm not sure I'd be in support of simply ignoring the salary of a player who came through a teams own academy. Otherwise you may well get clubs stock piling good youngsters and not using them. That would be great for us, Leeds, saints etc but bad for the league as a whole IMO

Maybe make it a solvency test. Clubs can pay what they want provided that they can show ongoing liquidity. Provides reward for success yet stops clubs bankrupting themselves to compete.

Well clubs have fallen foul of the salary cap and I think Bradford got done when a sponsor of a player (I think it was Harris) was found to have other links to the club in some way. So they have caught players out with some less than straightforward checking up.

I think you are also forgetting there isn't a great appetite to increase the cap from the owners. IL's doesn't want it to go up and doesn't have a bottomless pit of money to chuck at Wigan and I don't think any of the other owners want to do that either. 13 out of 14 may bankroll the club to various degrees but I don't think the directors at HKR or Wakey are keen to put even more money into their clubs to fund an even larger wage bill.

That is another reason why I said let players earn money outside of the game without it counting on the salary cap which it does now. That would certainly help without requiring the owners to be forever pumping cash into their clubs.

Ultimately what is needed is just more money in the game but the higher profile it gets due to players like Sam T getting more media exposure the more it ought to be be able to sell itself to TV companies. For players to be doing that though they need the incentive to be able to earn from their media work.

I'm not in favour of increasing the cap. I never thought it should have been introduced in the first place because it was never, ever going to stop clubs going broke and hasn't.
What we need is something better to encourage clubs to develop players from their own towns and cities. The "Player Ratings" is just one way and their are various ways of running that. Say, 100 points for each 17 on match day, 4 catagories, the lowest being from a clubs scholarship etc as I mentioned above.

A lot of these new club chairmen aren't interested in pumping more of their own cash in rather than putting the clubs finances on a more sustainable and business like basis so they won't have to.

Apologies, I didnt mean postal address of home address, I meant the amateur clubs you choose to play for be divided to catchment areas to act as feeder clubs to the local pro side. You choose the amateur club which could be one of several and they feed a specific pro club. If the pro club decide to sell or are approached with an offer for a certain they are financially compensated but the reward is that by developing and keeping this talent you can afford more under the cap. You will never stop transfers between clubs but if the feeder system is in place and the rewards that come with it then concrete grassroot and youth development are consistently there across the board and ruch clubs cannot just cherry pick all the best young talent across the North of England. This way we will eventually have a more level playing field that is genuine not just by stifling growth of the big clubs with the current cap structure. You could look to introduce an Origin style series where the first club you signed for is the county you represent rather than the pointless Exiles series. It would assist development in hot beds of RL such as cumbria as well. Its a win across the board for me.

So what did you mean by this then?

"With 13 of the 14 SL clubs having wealthy backers who can and do bankroll clubs the SC surely has had its day? "

That the cap is just not needed to stop clubs going bust?

The cap hasn't stopped clubs going broke, it was supposed to do that but never has. Why anyone thought it would is beyond me. With all the costs a club has just limiting the players' salaries never seemed to be enough. Real costs controls over all club activities has to be put in place and enforced. As the SC has failed for so many years in it objective I simply don't see the point in continuing with it.
The wealthy club backers want success but equally don't want to pump very large sums into their clubs as it may foster wage inflation throughout the game. The good Dr at Salford maybe the exception to this at present.
I would favour a method of increasing the supply of players into the game. Some clubs are good at it some not. A player ratings system maybe one way and I'm sure there are others but something has to change if we are to get the improvements we all seek.
Take our own club, IL has put money in but almost from day one he said he wanted a fully financially stable and self sufficient Wigan RL. That he's achieved.

Why not only have overseas player on the salary cap, then that would be an incentive for clubs to produce young players

Another thing why is the coaching staff in the salary cap?

They're not - Unless they play as well.

(At least last time I checked. Don't think the rules have changed since)

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The 'spokesman' must be new at Red Hall "A spokesman for the Rugby Football League saidplayed an important role in helping clubs manage their resources by discouraging overspending and creating a more stable environment for club development.'"

It didn't take him long to poke the hornet's nest at Red Hall

Thought the good Dr was a bit restrained, after all there's no salary cap in horse racing. Once he got stuck in I expected him to call for the SC's abolition.

Ok then
the Dr is obviously an intelligent and wealthy man
but he is showing a real naivety with his comments about the cap

surely he more than anyone must understand one of the reasons why it is in place. at the end of the day it was only 5 weeks ago the Salford nearly didnt exist because they had no money, owed (and still do) various debtors and could barely muster a playing squad to fulfil its fixtures

now 5 weeks later he is talking about raising a cap from 1.7 to 3.5m so we can compete with the aussies

I have posted elsewhere that it is good for Salford and good for the game if we can get wealthy owners in like Dr Koukash, but at the same time lets take things one step at a time, he needs to try and get his own house in order (which i believe he will), before trying to change everything else