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SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled. For 27 - 0 you get a trophy For 75 - 0 you get sod all. Wigan had eight in a row Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg
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Roy I remember you telling me that you were there for the presentation.
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Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery....... I will look to the moment, and miraculously, the future will take care of itself. Radio 5 Live, Sat, April 14th, 2007,...Dave Whelan, "In Wigan, rugby will always be king" 'I was certain, positive, convinced, and yet..........unsure' 'It's only rock 'n' roll, but I like it' Worry will not prevent destiny from unfolding.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3632.jpg
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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Roy I remember you telling me that you were there for the presentation.'"



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Quote: twosevenzero "You could buy Bukta rugby shirts at almost any sports shops at the time, they were the most common available around that period. I believe the first 'official replicas' would be the umbro kit in 1984, these had no sponsors on as JJB only came on board for the Challenge Cup semi final against York at the latter end of the season (there was then a mad rush to get the flock JJB lettering ironed on).'"


It was definitely the Bukta shirt I had. As seen on the photo below (not me BTW) also from 1983http://www.assetstorage.co.uk/AssetStorageService.svc/GetImageFriendly/662153107/700/700/0/0/1/80/ResizeBestFit/0/FRU/BC3D8EEEFA99C16F42BF61260A8ED411/gidlow-middle-school-under-12-s-rugby-league-wigan-supporters-cup-winners-wedne.jpg" >
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Quote: fleabag "I've still got my pre JJB Wigan shirt complete with Wigan 'ancient & loyal' embroidered badge on it. Made of cotton.

How many wiganers know the significance of the towns motto ?'"


First town to have a motto in the English language.
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Quote: twosevenzero "
Wigan remained loyal to the crown in the English Civil War and was the headquarters of the Earl of Derby, in 1660 King Charles 2nd presented a special sword to the Mayor of Wigan and the title 'Ancient & Loyal' to the town in gratitude for its support for his fathers cause.

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Correct ! Battle of Wigan lane and all that.

Also, the ancient is connected to the roman settlement that they call "[icoccium[/i" that includes Wigan.
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Quote: wigan_rlfc "First town to have a motto in the English language.'"


Interesting claim there mate !

Not heard that one before.
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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Roy I remember you telling me that you were there for the presentation.'"


Whereas you were there for the battle
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Whats the significance of the crest design. I can work out the King, but what about the castle and the lions?
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Quote: Hendy Charming "Whats the significance of the crest design. I can work out the King, but what about the castle and the lions?'"


From Wikipedia (I am assuming that common imagery in this and the Ancient and Loyal crest will have similar origins ie castle and lions)

Arms of Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council

The field of the arms consists of alternating gold and black lozenges or diamond shapes. Black lozenges are extensively used in British civic heraldry to symbolise coal mining, while each gold lozenge bears a red rose of Lancaster to represent the union of several Lancashire communities in the metropolitan borough. The chief or top section of the shield displays a couchant lion from the crest of the county borough.

On top of the helm is the crest which consists of a crowned castle and mountain ash tree. The castle and crown were in the county borough arms. The tree is included as a reference to the borough's name: the local name for the mountain ash being "Wiggin Tree".

The supporters are a gold crowned lion from the county borough arms, and a sparrowhawk from the arms of the Atherton family, and found in the devices of Atherton Urban District council and the Borough of Leigh.
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Quote: Hendy Charming "Whats the significance of the crest design. I can work out the King, but what about the castle and the lions?'"


Lots of info here.

rlhttp://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/ancientloyal2.php?opt
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Yeah. Fills me with a bit of shame that the Ancient and Loyal motto has it's roots in a towns pathetic support of an absolute monarch.

Talk about backward thinking.

Fortunately Cromwell won the war and set the scene for modern democracy as we know it.
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Quote: XBrettKennyX "Yeah. Fills me with a bit of shame that the Ancient and Loyal motto has it's roots in a towns pathetic support of an absolute monarch.

Talk about backward thinking.

Fortunately Cromwell won the war and set the scene for modern democracy as we know it.'"


And then Charlie came back and strung Cromwell's already dead body up
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Quote: wigan_rlfc "And then Charlie came back and strung Cromwell's already dead body up'"


So Cromwell wouldn't be too fussed I guess..........

In any case that's not the issue. The issue is that the entire democratic world owes Cromwell a favour. Sadly Wigan (as a whole) did not support him in his cause...........
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And also Wigan sadly did not support the Miners during the 1920's strike... They instead went back to work eating humble pie.

(Hence the origin pie eaters)

So, If you ever find yourself in the trenches, just pray you are not in there with any Wiganer's icon_lol.gif
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Quote: XBrettKennyX "So Cromwell wouldn't be too fussed I guess..........

In any case that's not the issue. The issue is that the entire democratic world owes Cromwell a favour. Sadly Wigan (as a whole) did not support him in his cause...........'"


Cromwell? Democratic? He was a barbaric dictator.
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