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| The Sam/Hudson incident isn't about drus its about biting.
SW was asked at the press conf about the on report incident being about biting.
He said he hadn't seen it and wasn't prepared to comment until he had.
He did say that if it was found to have occured then he'd be disappointed.
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| Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "It's a massive grey area that people will never agree on, but this post is pretty much what I think. If someone has taken recreational drugs they have been stupid but if they have been taking performance enhancers they have been actively trying to cheat to gain an advantage over their opponents and should be punished more severely IMO. Like I say you will never get everyone to agree on the matter, some people take the opinion that drugs are drugs and should all carry the same punishment. On the Footy Show last week they were even debating whether painkilling injections should be classed as performance enhancers and also be banned.
I'm not sure you are correct about only England players getting tested though, there is regular post game testing at club level.'"
What you must understand is that sportsmen, especially at the elite level, are role models. If say Gareth Hock was found to have taken cocaine and the sport did nothing about it 'Oh well, boys will be boys, he didn't cheat' What type of message does that send out to the thousands and thousands of kids who watch, and more than likely, idolize their favourite Wigan players and be just like them?
'Oh Hock does coke, so it's okay for me to do it'
That could be the reasoning of an impressionable young boy or girl when offered a line of coke, or a pill, or anything else for that matter. These drugs are dangerous, VERY dangerous. Cocaine is cut with god knows what when you buy it on street level, or in clubs. Pills are the same.
The fact of the matter is that although it gives them no advantage, these drugs are illegal and dangerous, if players want to do it, they're taking risks with their own bodies, which is fair enough, as they have to live with that. I'm glad we as a sport are governed by WADA because I wouldn't want my children thinking it's okay to do drugs, because we, as a sport, allow our elite players to do so.
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| Quote: Jeff the God of Biscuits "What you must understand is that sportsmen, especially at the elite level, are role models. If say Gareth Hock was found to have taken cocaine and the sport did nothing about it 'Oh well, boys will be boys, he didn't cheat' What type of message does that send out to the thousands and thousands of kids who watch, and more than likely, idolize their favourite Wigan players and be just like them?
'Oh Hock does coke, so it's okay for me to do it'
That could be the reasoning of an impressionable young boy or girl when offered a line of coke, or a pill, or anything else for that matter. These drugs are dangerous, VERY dangerous. Cocaine is cut with god knows what when you buy it on street level, or in clubs. Pills are the same.
The fact of the matter is that although it gives them no advantage, these drugs are illegal and dangerous, if players want to do it, they're taking risks with their own bodies, which is fair enough, as they have to live with that. I'm glad we as a sport are governed by WADA because I wouldn't want my children thinking it's okay to do drugs, because we, as a sport, allow our elite players to do so.'"
I fairness anyone that thinks "oh hock does it so it's ok for me to do it." is a bigger idiot than hock.
People know its illegal if they suddenly changed their mind just because a professional sportsman did it then they're a pure idiot.
Not condoning the drug use it's an idiotic thing to do especially considering the ban but to say kids are gonna do drugs coz hock did is silly.
You sound like those Americans who claim that the columbine massacre was because they played grand theft auto and listened to Marilyn Manson. Guess what I've done both of those today and I do not feel the need or urge to go and kill people. If they do drugs and say that they "did it coz hock did" they would've done it anyway they just want to hide behind an excuse.
Anyway on topic biting?! Jesus Christ what a coward.
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| imo there should be a fixed penalty for biting.....having all your teeth removed, and the use of anesthetic will be dependant on the severity.....ie.deliberate biting to hurt an opponent = no anesthetic
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| just been on the rfl disciplinary site and the only incident from Friday is the 'no case to answer' against Eric.
if the rfl are still investigating, surely there should be a reference to the incident on the site ? or do they only put them on once the initial review has been completed ?
EDIT : found it on the front page.
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| Quote: Jeff the God of Biscuits "What you must understand is that sportsmen, especially at the elite level, are role models. If say Gareth Hock was found to have taken cocaine and the sport did nothing about it 'Oh well, boys will be boys, he didn't cheat' What type of message does that send out to the thousands and thousands of kids who watch, and more than likely, idolize their favourite Wigan players and be just like them?
'Oh Hock does coke, so it's okay for me to do it'
That could be the reasoning of an impressionable young boy or girl when offered a line of coke, or a pill, or anything else for that matter. These drugs are dangerous, VERY dangerous. Cocaine is cut with god knows what when you buy it on street level, or in clubs. Pills are the same.
The fact of the matter is that although it gives them no advantage, these drugs are illegal and dangerous, if players want to do it, they're taking risks with their own bodies, which is fair enough, as they have to live with that. I'm glad we as a sport are governed by WADA because I wouldn't want my children thinking it's okay to do drugs, because we, as a sport, allow our elite players to do so.'"
But it's fine for players to get drunk every other weekend? It's been proven that alcohol is far more damaging than all but the most serious of narcotics. Would you want your kids thinking it's ok to get so bladdered they don't know what they're doing?
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| Whilst part of me agrees with the sentiment regarding deliberate cheating (steroids,HGH) and recreational drugs.........
Over 10,000 people die in drugs related crime every YEAR in Mexico alone.
All would be avoided if no-one took the drugs. Arguably use of cocaine should relate in a ban for life.
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| Quote: adi "But it's fine for players to get drunk every other weekend? It's been proven that alcohol is far more damaging than all but the most serious of narcotics. Would you want your kids thinking it's ok to get so bladdered they don't know what they're doing?'"
Please show me your 'Proof' that alcohol is more damaging than any other drug? Cocaine can cause heart attacks, MDMA can cause you to drink so much your kidneys flood, LSD can give you such bad trips you jump off the nearest building, same for mushrooms. Weed can cause severe paranoia and speed can cause heart attacks and strokes [All proven by the way, and I can link you to the studies] I'd be interested to read your studies that state that alcohol, when taken in the same quantities is more dangerous than any drug.
The fact is people don't hammer Cocaine [i'm using that as it happens to be to fashionable drug at the minute] like they do alcohol. If people where to intake the same quantities of alcohol as they do cocaine, there would be no drunks in the world. That's in the majority of cases, there are obviously people who abuse cocaine, but, as it's much more expensive than a bottle of vodka, people don't tend to do more than a couple of lines at a time.
This is beside the point. If our players where stumbling about, being drunk, infront of their fans on a regular basis, I would not agree with that also. Josh Charnley had a picture of himself in a bar with a bottle of fosters after the game on Friday - I did not like this as feel that he shouldn't be drinking during the season, just my opinion, but, I know how alcohol can affect physical performance. The fact is that alcohol [in moderation] is nowhere near as dangerous as many narcotics, and even legal drugs! Cigarettes are far more dangerous than a couple of pints at the weekend.
Now if we get into binge drinking 10 pints a night with 10 shots of Sambuca, yes, this is harmful. But by the same token, if you went to McDonalds 10 times a day, this would be just as, if not, more harmful. It's everything in moderation. Yes a few pints won't hurt, that is, largely why it's legal. People have died after trying narcotics ONCE which is why they're illegal, mostly.
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| this is what coke does to you
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| Quote: Jeff the God of Biscuits "Please show me your 'Proof' that alcohol is more damaging than any other drug? Cocaine can cause heart attacks, MDMA can cause you to drink so much your kidneys flood, LSD can give you such bad trips you jump off the nearest building, same for mushrooms. Weed can cause severe paranoia and speed can cause heart attacks and strokes [All proven by the way, and I can link you to the studies] I'd be interested to read your studies that state that alcohol, when taken in the same quantities is more dangerous than any drug.
The fact is people don't hammer Cocaine [i'm using that as it happens to be to fashionable drug at the minute] like they do alcohol. If people where to intake the same quantities of alcohol as they do cocaine, there would be no drunks in the world. That's in the majority of cases, there are obviously people who abuse cocaine, but, as it's much more expensive than a bottle of vodka, people don't tend to do more than a couple of lines at a time.
This is beside the point. If our players where stumbling about, being drunk, infront of their fans on a regular basis, I would not agree with that also. Josh Charnley had a picture of himself in a bar with a bottle of fosters after the game on Friday - I did not like this as feel that he shouldn't be drinking during the season, just my opinion, but, I know how alcohol can affect physical performance. The fact is that alcohol [in moderation] is nowhere near as dangerous as many narcotics, and even legal drugs! Cigarettes are far more dangerous than a couple of pints at the weekend.
Now if we get into binge drinking 10 pints a night with 10 shots of Sambuca, yes, this is harmful. But by the same token, if you went to McDonalds 10 times a day, this would be just as, if not, more harmful. It's everything in moderation. Yes a few pints won't hurt, that is, largely why it's legal. People have died after trying narcotics ONCE which is why they're illegal, mostly.'"
alcochol can do all that too...
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| back on topic
rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/news/article/480/7953468/no-bite-charge-for-hudsonrl
no charge, insufficient evidence.
i guess we can let this one die now then
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| Quote: Jeff the God of Biscuits " I'd be interested to read your studies that state that alcohol, when taken in the same quantities is more dangerous than any drug.
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but part of the intrinsic problem of alcohol is the level of consumption. it would be illogical to talk about the associated problems without referencing the frequency and widespread use as they are the base cause of the problems. to turn it around, if alcohol and cocaine were swapped around in there volume, frequency and spread of use, would not the problems then associated with cocaine be far greater than those currently associated with alcohol, and also would not the problems associated with alcohol be almost negligible?
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| Quote: Pieman "alcochol can do all that too...'"
Quote: Pieman "But he says their legality increases their harmfulness, commenting, "Many of the harms of drugs are affected by their availability and legal status."'"
Basically saying that Alcohol is only the most harmful as it is readily available and the most consumed.
Thats like saying the worst cars for pollution are Ford Fiestas just because theres more of them sold than anything else at the moment.
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| Quote: ShortArse "back on topic
rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/news/article/480/7953468/no-bite-charge-for-hudsonrl
no charge, insufficient evidence.
i guess we can let this one die now then'"
Hang on a minute. I am getting heartily sick of this RFL sweeping under the carpet crap. Why would ST say he was bitten if he wasn't. I am sorry this is not acceptable. If he didn't bite him then surely ST should be banned for bringing the game into disrepute?
The RFL are a joke and the latest lets scrap the academy is another sign of incompetent governance by our beloved Yarkshire bigots!
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