I don't think he's bad. This is a bigger picture thing here. Widnes are probably gonna pay him a similar wage (remember this IS a job) but he's gonna be traveling to Widnes now not Hull it will be to save money. Hull probably weren't gonna win anything in his 3 year contract anyway so he may as well play at a club he doesn't have to travel almost the entire width of the country to get to.

I thought from what I'd read on Twitter over the close season he'd moved over to Hull, so I'm surprised it's the travel that's being cited as a reason. Always thought he gave 100% whilst with us - Widnes at least seem to be putting together a better squad for next season.

Widnes won't be as a bad next year and it is a big step from the Championship to Superleague.With Ste O Connor at our club I feel we will improve year on year.He has already stated that 4 or 5 clubs struggling with finances.One we know is Bradford and if more clubs go bust then more cherry picking.

Do you realise just how bad your "post" looks... ?

Fingers crossed then, eh?

Oh dear.

Do not really care to be honest.Just that the posts are acting like we will be bottom of the league again.Which I disagree with and teams have overspent.This is why clubs are in meltdown, and Widnes lost out due to some teams overspending.Only big clubs like Wigan,Leeds,Hull,Saints,and Wire can afford big salary caps.Unless small clubs have a sugar daddy.Just saying how it is and Carroll was obviously good enough the other year?Now goes Widnes he is a awful player?

Be nice for some clubs to think we will improve than just to be e every year.

he ain't awful, it's just that he doesn't seem big enough to be a front line prop and has been injury prone in the past. He would have been struggling to get any game time at Wigan this year with Lima, Moose, Prekki, Eric, Dudson, Flower and Spencer ahead of him

You will find very few describing him as "Awful" or worse. What people have said in the main is that he is small for a prop, has had many injuries, and would get few opportunities at Wigan. Sorry if this just not fit with your "anti-Wigan" bile.

I never was anti Wigan at all as i have liked the Wigan fans when visited the Stobarts.What i am trying to say is O Carroll would be a decent player for Widnes compared to our Championship forwards?He be better than Pickersgill,Kavanagh,and Ben Davies for starters, and possibly Ben Cross.You have got great talent, and a big conveyor belt at Wigan and i be happy with Kev Brown,Luke Robinson, and a few others from your club, who have not been good enough for the top 4.Yes i like Paul Gallen but that is not realistic.