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| I did have a tongue in cheek joke yesterday about how long he'd get before a thread on here & before he became scapegoat like Noble did so often...
Five him 5/10 games.
Get off the lads back. There were worse than him yesterday. George was pretty pap too...
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| What Irked me about Goulding yesterday was something he has very little control over. Why did we continually use him as a first choice crash option from our scrums? Its a role made for Gelling but yet we seem to be asking Daz to play that way?
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Quote: Cherry.Pie "On which occasions did he blow overlaps? There never seemed to be any clear cut opportunities down the right side and very little space to work with. The same was happening but to a lesser extent on the left because the forwards weren't drawing any players in.
On several occasions Goulding was getting the ball out wide and Huddersfield had 4 men against him and Charnley. That shouldn't be happening for a professional team.
There was one obvious misread defensively, there was also a great tackle covering for a bad miss from Leuluai. He moved up for some of those long passes out wide but always to his own man which meant he still left Charnley one on one.
I expected a thread slagging off Goulding but our worst centre yesterday was Carmont. No player wasted the amount of opportunities he did.'"
I'm not Gouldings biggest fan and have often been critical of his decision making in the past.
However I don't think he was poor yesterday. George Carmont didn't get his timing right at all, Pat should have had three tries.
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| Quote: king warrior "What about Powell?
I know it's not his position but got to be better than Goulding it might come off like i'm giving him stick but i just dont think he should be were he is and he wont get on the wing with Paaaat and Charnley there'"
Do you mean Matty Russell?
Powell is a halfback.
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| The simple fact is that if Carmont or another classy CENTRE had been playing instead of Goulding, that ball at the end would have been flicked across and Charnley would have scored in the corner meaning a draw at least. Goulding was playing and didn't have the awareness or the skill to be part of scoring this try. I don't think Joel was a great centre but even he would have made that pass.
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| He's had almost 80 starts and about 100 games over 6 years in total, and never impressed at centre. His best season was 2010 - outside Gleeson on the wing. He's not a centre and never will be at the top level. He's a good, solid winger and that's where he should stay.
I've faith in Wane and I'm not that fussed about yesterday's game - I think we'll learn from it - but I can't understand his thinking with regards to Goulding (or Marsh for that matter). Neither offer anything at centre at this level. If Gelling isn't ready, give Charnley a shot (hasn't he played centre plenty of times for the Academys?). Charnley at least threatens to break tackles and has that 'x-factor' that has produced so many outstanding moments. Leave Goulding on the wing where he's proven his worth many times.
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| Quote: Cronus "He's had almost 80 starts and about 100 games over 6 years in total, and never impressed at centre. His best season was 2010 - outside Gleeson on the wing. He's not a centre and never will be at the top level. He's a good, solid winger and that's where he should stay.
I've faith in Wane and I'm not that fussed about yesterday's game - I think we'll learn from it - but I can't understand his thinking with regards to Goulding (or Marsh for that matter). Neither offer anything at centre at this level. If Gelling isn't ready, give Charnley a shot (hasn't he played centre plenty of times for the Academys?). Charnley at least threatens to break tackles and has that 'x-factor' that has produced so many outstanding moments. Leave Goulding on the wing where he's proven his worth many times.'"
Too much of a gamble.
Goulding doesn't defend well enough to be played outside a rookie centre. It'd be carnage down that wing if they're switched over.
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23997_1287161421.jpg [quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23997.jpg |
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| Quote: FIOS "Do you mean Matty Russell?
Powell is a halfback.'" I know but he will get some time in the first team even if he isn't were he wants to be
I'd give either a shot tbh
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| Quote: Guerrier "Too much of a gamble.
Goulding doesn't defend well enough to be played outside a rookie centre. It'd be carnage down that wing if they're switched over.'"
Fair point, it would be a gamble, but remember Goulding played outside a rookie centre in Marsh for a period last year. That never worked for me because it offered nothing. I rate Charnley far higher than Marsh and reckon he offers more and could do a better job overall.
Ideally Gelling will be ready sooner rather than later.
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| Quote: Cherry.Pie "On which occasions did he blow overlaps? There never seemed to be any clear cut opportunities down the right side and very little space to work with. The same was happening but to a lesser extent on the left because the forwards weren't drawing any players in.
On several occasions Goulding was getting the ball out wide and Huddersfield had 4 men against him and Charnley. That shouldn't be happening for a professional team.
There was one obvious misread defensively, there was also a great tackle covering for a bad miss from Leuluai. He moved up for some of those long passes out wide but always to his own man which meant he still left Charnley one on one.
I expected a thread slagging off Goulding but our worst centre yesterday was Carmont. No player wasted the amount of opportunities he did.'"
Spot on CP. The overlaps came on the opposite flank. Goulding had a solid game.
The biggest problem was the lack of creativity from the halfbacks and our soft defence around the ruck.
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| Quote: Sweaty Betty's "Spot on CP. The overlaps came on the opposite flank. Goulding had a solid game.
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What game was you watching? He blew 2 overlaps in the last 10 minutes when he should have put Charnley in.
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| Quote: 21-12 "What game was you watching? He blew 2 overlaps in the last 10 minutes when he should have put Charnley in.'"
Didn't he lose his footing for one of them? A touch harsh to class that as 'blowing' the overlap.
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| Quote: 21-12 "At last!!! Somebody that agree's with me!
Never a centre in the memory of man, 3 times he blew overlaps yesterday, his decision making is extremely poor and im yet to see him beat a man. If he has got a future it is on the wing, thats if Roberts doesnt re produce his form before his injury.'"
You were doing well until you mentioned Roberts and his associated word (if).
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| Where the buggery is Roberts? Why isn't he EVER mentioned when injuries are discussed?
What's the latest?
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| This is completely out of order. Yesterday he wasn't given much chance in attack apart from one opportunity where he passed too early for charnley when we were close to scoring. He defended well, made good yards from his scoots and if we were gonna question any of the centres it would be Carmont. To build up a centre/wing partnership takes time for example Joel and Josh last year. While this is happening the other centre/wing partnership needs to be strong and yesterday Carmont and Pat looked weak for me. It was almost as if Carmont doesn't trust Richards on the outside anymore which is going to make our attack on that edge ineffective
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