We lost because Australia had 14+ better players than we did on the pitch.

Who are Endland? Where is it?

How can they be at the "end"? The Earth is round !!!

The bottom line is we just ain't good enough from the top to bottom. The Aussies are miles and miles better all over the park abd IMO this is one of the weakest Aussie teams I've seen.

We could debate all night who's to blame, the halves was poor, the pack was second best but it all boils down to not being good enough. We can match them for periods of the games but they have the x factor players all over the park that we just don't have and they can turn the game on it's head in a matter of mins.

No way was tomkins to blame.

chase--man o steel------man o e another top decision from coach

Tomkins saw little ball in attack due to the Sinfield's insistence on passing the ball back inside to Wilkin.

Something he's been guilty of over the whole tournament.

Someone on sky (can't recall who) made a very good point. He said we stood our ground well and competed for periods of the game but until super league comes more competitive then we will never win a international comp.

I totally agree with this and it shows just how important it is that the RFL keep the likes of Graham, Joel tomkins, Kyle eastmond etc playing in super league.

Yea Tomkins had a very poor game so did Briscoe he had a stinker we just didn't get the half backs clicking together and Sinfield kicking game was e and all with players playing outta position and many handling errors giving away stupid penalties all equals a very poor performance and we just cant do that against the Aussies,, A lot of the blame should go to McNamara in my opinion

So it's all sinfield and wilkins fault?

Wilkin can be a big threat with being used on the inside. Hes not big enough to be taking the Aussies on down the middle SMS would end up like o'loughlin at international level by being put on his ass every hit up.

No, but when you have the country's most dangerous attacking player on your shoulder you'd think you'd use him once in a while. Not blaming Wilkin at all, he's being given the ball. More Sinfield's judgement in attack late in a set whilst in the opponents twenty.

i would say some not all as he has installed a self blief within the sqaud and by the sounds of it got rid of club click's,, but then we should have ployed the aussie tatics of trying some moves from are 40m line but we here it all the time completion rate but gareth ellis got it right its not how you complete your sets its what you do within them.

I think it's pretty harsh on McNamara. Except for tonight he's had us looking pretty good, more confident and more balanced than weve been in recent years.

I didn't want him as coach and not sure ibdo now but I think he's done pretty well this four nations.

He's also put some very good things in place off the field. The exiles game was all his idea and personally begged super league clubs to back his idea and IMO is great concept.

The England knights programme is also his idea and is great for the players just on the brink of breaking into the first team squad as all the same metics are used which makes the step up more easy.

Cameron Smith what a joy it is to watch him play. I know Thurston gets all the plaudits, but when you really watch Smith in detail everything he does is exceptional. The rugby brain that man has is immense.

Why we lost? We got smashed in the forwards and as a result had little possession and field position, plus coupled with our terrible kicking game all conspired to our downfall. As for our backs receiving terrible ball, that was just a consequence of getting beat up in the forwards and being on the back foot from minute one.

Our inability to wrap the offload up from Aussies irritated me the most tonight. It's basic stuff that lets us down the majority of the time.

Fair enough and I agree, we didn't give Sam the ball in the position that makes him such a threat.

Wilkin was the first player in the England team to pass to Tomkins.

Tomkins had a quiet game whichever way you look at it and no matter how you try and stick up for him. But he wasn't the only one. And some players had an awful game, especially in defence.

IMO there are two fundamental problems with the England team: we don't have enough players of the right standard and we drool over the Aussies way, way too much, giving them way too much respect.