send him back to Widnes, he'd love that lol

Also I would use some of the transfer fee and try to sign Larne Patrick from Hudds or even a cheeky bid for Lomax and maybe have a dabble on Pelisier.

I like Pelisier, he seems a rum un and I like that in a 9.

Yeah, send him to Widnes would be a good idea, we don't want him at Wigan moping about upsetting the apple cart.

The problem is, you can't afford to have a large chunk of your salary cap sitting in the reserves. This year we had Amos in that position (although different as he was suffering an injury it would seem) and another chunk in Fielden/O'Carrol who were out injured, to add to that through choice will do more harm than good imo. In some ways it's not too important what we get for Joel imo, it's not as if we can spend it or Lenegan needs the money. Although of course I want us to get as much as possible for him, and the RL fan inside me says make them pay through the nose if they want to take our players, as a Wigan fan the last thing I want at the club is a player who doesn't want to be here and a portion of our salary cap sitting on the sidelines just because negotiations are ongoing.

Not really in this case.
Wigan don't play until February, Saracens want him now. If this situation was in March / April then I would agree with you, bit Joel still has four years still on his contract at Wigan.

The problem is you treat Joel poorly and the knock on effect could be disasterous in relation to Sam.

I would hate to see us make another very short sighted decision like letting Faz go to Union and the knock on effect was losing Owen.

This is a very tricky situation than needs significant TLC to backfire on us in a major way.

Why?

For wanting to earn more coin?

If a company come to you and said join us and we will pay you 5x more than what you get now you will be handing your notice in straight away wouldn't you?

Rugby and most sports is a short career i have no problem in players wanting to set their lives up by taking a better deal people need to see this and grow the **** up

From what I've heard from, what I admit isn't a great source, but Joel is having second thoughts after talking to his family/ friends.

Don't know if it's true but I hope it is.

this is professional sport where contracts are signed and no notice period is available so your point doesnt stand

if i was to take up an offer from another company and hand my notice i mght be put on garden leave for a few weeks and thats it

Joel signed a 5 year contract and i for one hope thata the club hold out for as much as possible for him wether he likes it or not. hes made his bed and now he needs to lie in it. of course, if hes having second thoughts then that might make a difference

for gods sake, its cash rich RU, make them pay as much as possible

I do hope this is true.

I haven't heard anything official about a departure so won't be slating him until I do. In fact I won't even bother slating him if it is true; who can blame him for being tempted by that much money?

You reckon? My guess is that Saracens must be offering a long term deal. I doubt they're expecting him to regain his match fitness, learn a new code and slot into their first team in time for Saturday's game at Barth (or wherever). But I hope you're right, I wouldn't want to see any contracted player leave for union without fair compensation being paid.

I would ask for £500k. Young player, international with a four year contract. Make them pay otherwise they'll think they can get all our players on the cheap.
Didn't Wigan get £750k for Tuigamala. If that's the case I'm upping the half million to threequarters of a million.

If a free-spending club like Toulon paid only £300K for Sonny Bill Williams (who was also a young international into a five year deal) then we have no chance of getting £750K for Joel Tomkins who isn't fit to lace SBW's boots in terms of ability.

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Let him rot in the U21s?
Don't be stupid
We should be doing all we can to get him to stay, and if he does we should make the most of him (AT SECOND ROW)

"Get rid and get the kids in!"

Bottom line is if he wants to go he'll go with or without Wigans agreement. If there's no agreement on compensation then Wigan will have to sue either Joel or Saracens and that just means the solicitors get rich. reckon we need to draw a line under this and get on with next seasons preparation.