Sally, That is really not going to help our sport, but one set of fans will be happy.

We need to have a sport where there are 4 or 5 teams that can win trophies.
This will increase crowds and also tv figs, thus bringing in more money allowing the cap to be increased.

if Moran walked away from wire then you would be in big trouble.

If you look at Aus teams go from wooden spoon to potential champions in a season... we have 4 or 5 teams now

Saints
Wigan
Warrington
Leeds
Shudds

I'd throw Catalans into that mix too.

They're a team I wouldn't want to face in the cup next year.

Good point and Hull could be a real threat too.

Someone has just started a thread on the Saints board that union are sniffing round Lomax, could be true and wouldnt surprise me as they will be on the prowl for any League talent, if it's true and he did want to follow the £££ I doubt we would be able to stop him with or without the cap.

Why do we need 14?

Why should our sport at the top level be limited by those no-marks, with neither ambition nor foresight at the bottom?

For too long we have allowed the Wakefields and Castlefords of this world dictate what the best teams are allowed to do....

"If the cap is raised, we won't be able to afford it, therefore we're not going to allow you to do it".

Then as soon as Cas are relegated, they start bleating that they should be allowed to spend MORE than the Championship cap, simply because they CAN afford to and "why should we be held back"?

Well guess what - The best of us are being held back by YOU shower of sh|te, and our chairmen are allowing it to happen.

We need a change in the system to reflect what a club can TRULY spend.

If we had something like the UEFA Fair-Play rules, whereby a club had to show either a minimum profit or at least a break-even over say 3 years, that would no longer penalise those of us that have actually marketed our clubs.

It would also penalise clubs with no ambition, no clue and no money.

Tough luck. Work harder.

What is the point in us consistantly improving our attendance figures (other than to show that we can) if we can't spend the increased revenue that it generates?

Please, for the sake of our sport - Stop the tail from wagging the f***ing dog !!!!!

Remove the right of the little clubs to prevent the top ones from moving forward (safely).

If something makes sense and could save/improve our sport - Get it implemented.

Why would Moran walk away from the Wire?

That's like saying i would walk away from the Wire, he's a life long Wire fan, he stands with other fans in the south stand, he'll leave Wire in a box.

Completely missed the point!! This is not a our owner is better than your owner debate. Its about how as a sport we can look at changing our game. If we are not careful Morans presence at Wire will become irrelevant as we will all be watching mediocre players as we can keep the best ones in RL.

Cap needs to be changed maybe in amount but more so to allow clubs to benefit from prodcing their own.

Great post don't mince your words just say it like it is

The thing with owners in RL is it is different from being an owner in football....you don't need to have £200 million to make an impact, £10 million will turn a rugby club around, so its open to far more potential investors, there will be wealthy British businessmen that like sport that could come in and do it we don't need to just go begging Russian oligarchs and Saudi oil sheikhs.

thats a good point actually. there must be plenty of millionaire businessmen out there who have an ambition to own a top level sports club, but cant get into football anymore.

how do we attract them to RL though?

It doesn't matter about the rights and wrongs of increasing the Cap.
More clubs vote to keep it as it is than increase it.
We need to improve that problem.

I can see the point in the cap in terms of:

1) Stopping clubs from spending more than they can sustain on their income
2) Preventing 1 club with a rich owner hoovering up all the talent just to stop them plaing for anyone else

However, I believe what's (potentially) happening now with RU sniffing round RL players is a situation where the cap should be irrelevant.

If we could afford to keep JT (and likewise Saints with Lomax, Wire with anyone in their team), where is the advantage to those teams in allowing them to exceed the cap in relation to those players who they have brought through their own youth system? Joel & Sam play for Wigan already, it's not like exceeding the cap to sign Lomax.

The counter argument is, effectively, that despite clubs being able to pay players their market rate, it's better for the whole of the game if they are lost to RL, in order that 'equality' is maintained. And that makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Maybe with the richer clubs to stop them 'hoovering up' the talent you are allowed so many players on say an A pay rate, then so many on a B pay rate and so many on a C pay rate, i'll be honest i haven't thought this post through.

I dont think if you double the Salary Cap we would not stop players from RL going to Union .The International stage is a bigger draw to the players . Union players can make more money away from the game with TV /Magazine ads etc .IMHO this should be scrapped in RL aginst the SC so a player could make money away from the game as long as the club is not paying for it and does not intefere with playing and training for his club.This would take a huge pressure off players financially and earnings away from is a restriction of their rights thought up by a big wig in RL HQ and IMO if taken to court would be overturned.In the meantime we will just have to keep bringing the young players through sign them on long term contracts and let them sign for Union paying the clubs compensation.