Agree. Charnley is still a bit of raw potential imo but his time will come. Mossop probably isnt in due to the injuries he has been having but I feel his time will come too.

Its probably a blessing with the squad that has been picked, we could be in for a real good hiding.

Really poor squad IMO but didn't really expect much else international RL is pretty much a two country game & i'll be at Elland Road to watch those two teams in the final.

Quote: Wandering Warrior "Agree. Charnley is still a bit of raw potential imo but his time will come. Mossop probably isnt in due to the injuries he has been having but I feel his time will come too. Its probably a blessing with the squad that has been picked, we could be in for a real good hiding.'" If Mossop isn't in the main squad because of his injuries, then why is he in the knights? I fail to see how Ryan Bailey is rated better. And that's not just because he's a tool, it's because he's a very average player. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

Quote: Wandering Warrior "Agree. Charnley is still a bit of raw potential imo but his time will come. Mossop probably isnt in due to the injuries he has been having but I feel his time will come too. Its probably a blessing with the squad that has been picked, we could be in for a real good hiding.'" If Mossop isn't in the main squad because of his injuries, then why is he in the knights? I fail to see how Ryan Bailey is rated better. And that's not just because he's a tool, it's because he's a very average player. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

I hope we get battered by the Aussies and Kiwis, and I mean battered, and then humiliated by the Welsh.

Anything other than an utterly miserable 4th place with 0 wins for 3 games will force the powers that be to wake up and alter things.

McNamara as expected makes a shambles of what could have been a decent squad.

Cudjoe over Atkins- How?

McIlorum over Robinson/Burrow/Houghton- How?

No Mossop yet places for deadwood like JJB and Wilkin (I'd have picked Bailey tbh. He's a rubbish player but world class wind up merchant).

No Brough so we've got 3 running halfbacks and no organiser

Sinfield chosen- He's pitiful at international level in any other position then 9. He isn't up to it physically ( his amazing superleague record hasn't counted for much in his numerous chances in the past).

Awful stuff overall. The only way we could choose guys like Chase and Heighington was to pick them alongside the new breed. We needed to make a statement of intent that we were doing away with the deadwood and entering a new era. As it is we're basically blocking young players routes on to the first team with players that have tried and failed and imports.

It's consistent though so I'll give them that. It mirrors superleague.

What a depressing day.

i know we love to hate everything st helens, but those mocking the inclusion of Jon Wilkin need to have their head examined. After Ben Westwood, i'd say he's the form English 2nd rower in the league

England now don't have any right centres, we lost them both with Shenton's injury and Joel backing out.
Widdop at 6 instead of Chase.
After all a 6 playing at Melbourne will be better than one playing 6 for Cas.
I suppose really though, that means Chase will start!
Ablett an International? Shows how far we've sunk!

mossop due 3 ops (shoulder,knee+thumb)alledgedly, so doubt we'll see him in knights

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ben Jones Bishop
3. Jack Reed
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Ryan Hall
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Jonny Lomax
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Adrian Morley
11. Ben Westwood
12. Gareth Ellis
13. Chris Heightington

14. Kevin Sinfield
15. Jamie Peacock
15. Rangi Chase
17. Gareth Carvell

Carl Ablett, JJB, Jon Wilkin, Ryan Bailey and Micky McIlorum Should be nowhere near that squad. The first 17 isnt so bad. If we get any injuries it will be a complete and utter disaster.

The aussies must cacking themselves looking at this announcment, lets hope for -20 temperatures as its the only thing the aussies and kiwis will be concerned about

Personally I'm hoping Ryan Bailey gets a game against the Aussies, and then firm planted on his backside!

Shame there is no Mason to a "Fielden" on him in!

friggin hell you grumpy git lol just what we need ancient and LOYAL fans

you miserable buggers you doom and gloomy pies.ablett dodgy choice ,bailey everybody agrees is bad but cmon bright spark pies what other exceptional brimming English talent lies out in the mythical fields of Elysium?that would be automatic choices over Mcnamara's......waiting?????