the ref wasnt a major issue for me today barring josh's try effort, that could have and should have been allowed and i was in the best position in the stadium to see it... barring that Wigan were frikkin Sheyte!!!! Finch didnt break sweat and carmont was dreaming.. dire!

Well wellens the whiner should have walked.

Which ever way you look at it, Cummings got that call wrong.

It should have either been a try, play the ball on the 10 or penalty for double movement. How in the world he came up with that call is beyond me - he was over the line?!!

I feel sorry for the full time refs if he's in charge

How can he disallow that Charnley try but not give a pen to saints? He got the ball down so to not give it he must have been looking at double movement.

The reffing across the games has been really poor. Hull were really hard done to at times, the ref was just guessing decisions!

I think the ruling was that the tackle was complete (it clearly was - ball grounded and momentum stopped), then the 'shermozzle' that followed resulted in Charnley ending up over the Saints line.

Couldn't be a try (tackle complete), double movement would have been incredibly harsh as it didn't appear that Charnley made an attempt to propel himself over the line, and a penalty against Saints for interference would also have been harsh as there was no attempt to slow down play, they'd just thrown a lot of bodies in there to try to prevent the score.

Sensible way to restart play, IMO.

I saw a similar decision (I think it was a Hull Saints play off 5 years or so ago) where the tackle was complete then, as the Hull tackler was getting to his feet, he leaned on the ball carrier Tony Stewart (I think) who's head touched the whitewash as a result. Ref told him to get to his feet and play the ball.

Don't want to be provocative but; had too much to drink at the game?
Suggest you watch it on sky again when you are sober.

Unlike some of your fellow fans, your other comments are not worth discussing.

Thought it was a very close game similar to the good friday game except we just held out this time.
Next time who knows as there is not much between the teams IMO.

For me two baffling referee performances were Gansons and Thalers!

Thought Bentham had a decent game, tried to let the game flow. Couple of 50/50 went for both teams. Charnley no try was strange because he wasnt given as held up! Grasping at straws if we are looking at Bentham to blame!

Bentham did okay in my opinion, he was the reason you had a chance at half time when hammering Saints in the final few minutes. Ganson was a bit too picky on friday, but at least it stopped teams slowing the play the ball down and led to attacking free-flowing entertaining rugby. Wigan looked very tired, I still expect them to be walking out at Old Trafford though.

Wasnt Ian Smith the VR?

all this whining and appealling to the ref is out of order IMO, be it Briers, Wello, Mona or Sam. And if you draw your 'own' square in the air - automatic 10 minutes. Its getting as bad a wendyball and Torres waiving his imaginary cards at the ref.

Have to agree with this. It is one thing I don’t like about football and it is creeping into our game more and more. I can’t understand why refs rarely penalise for dissent nowadays. For me they should to stop this. Not having a go at Saints because we’re as bad as anyone. But as an example, Wellens for me should have been sin binned for dissent for that try of Richards, or James Graham’s foul mouth rant at the 4th official during the blood bin incident. I understand his passion but we can’t have that in our game if you ask me.

Back to the game. We can’t blame the ref for yesterdays defeat. Didn’t watch the Catalans v Hull KR game but the refereeing in all the other games for me was fine.

Charnley’s was a try for me. He was short but Saints somehow contrived to get him over the line. Should have been a try but we didn’t play well enough to say we deserved the win. Credit to Saints for their performance yesterday. Still think that if we play to our potential we should beat Saints but don’t think that we will win the GF even if we get there.

You are joking? Cummins is No1 Saints fan? Is that what you are saying? Surely you know Cummins is an out and out mad Wigan fan. Ask anyone who knew him from when he was a teacher.

Or have I misunderstood your post?

cummins is in no way a Wigan fan.

The Charnley try was a try, the saints players pulled him over the line and he got the ball down. He gave a decision as if he'd been held up when he hadn't. Had it been determined a double movement it should have been a saints penalty.

That decision probably changed the game for us.

Yes, it wasn't a try. His momentum had been stopped, if you watch closely he makes a 2nd effort by using his legs to drive himself over the line.

It should have been a pen to saints for a double movement.