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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Last seasons accounts should be published in the next two weeks. I'm sure Lenegan said at the FF that we would show a small profit on that season and a decent one this season if we got to Wembley, which now we have.'"
He did.
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| Never good to see a top SL side making a loss, however it can be put down to a few things.
Widnes - crowds are down, I suspect they'd be paying Widnes for usage of thier stadia (can someone confirm/dispell this?)
Stadium - They've invested a lot into the new stadia, which I'll not go into the bleeding obvious why.
Trophyless - Yep, some fans won't of been going to Sts matches due to not having won anything for a few years. I'm 100% positive Sts will win a trophy again in the next year or so, so that should change.
C'mon, someone tell me I'm wrong
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| Trouble is the results are for the previous year.
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| It is a bit of a worry but hopefully within three seasons Eamonn reckons we will be back in the black.
Next year obviously we will make a loss because of Saints being at Widnes but with new backers and sponsorship deals because of our new stadium this should be good for the club.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "Never good to see a top SL side making a loss, however it can be put down to a few things.
Widnes - crowds are down, I suspect they'd be paying Widnes for usage of thier stadia (can someone confirm/dispell this?)
C'mon, someone tell me I'm wrong
You're wrong.
These accounts are for the last season at KR. This season's accounts will look like a car crash.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
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| Quote: cjhatesunion "It is a bit of a worry but hopefully within three seasons Eamonn reckons we will be back in the black.
Next year obviously we will make a loss because of Saints being at Widnes but with new backers and sponsorship deals because of our new stadium this should be good for the club.'"
How will that happen?
The accumulative losses over the last five years is almost £3.5 million and that's before this years losses.
It was stated on Red Vee a few months ago that it could take around 10 years to make up those losses, and that's if things go well.
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| Sports teams are generally a very bad investment. People have a go at the management of other clubs (and sometimes their own) but the reality is I doubt that that anyone involved in owning any SL side is in it for money. The question shouldn't actually be about when Sts make a profit - the only real question is whether the losses are sustainable.
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| I thought the finances had been brought under control by Mcmanus? The club will start to improve the finances when the new ground is pulling in revenue; but it will take some time to cover those debts.
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| Quote: newton warrior "This has been posted on Red Vee
Its worrying when you consider that fans wanted to stay at KR until new ground was ready
these figures show that had they not sold knowsley road then saints would be showing a £3.1 million loss
But very astute buisness men never tell you the true picture i.e the percentage loss to turn over was it a 1% loss or a 50% loss the figures they give are are excuse figures, like we had a big loss last year so we cant spend on players.
you wont be getting a pay rise we have no money, they wont have acounted into these figures the money tesco have paid to build a supermarket on the carpark of the new ground.
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| From the figures shown, the loss was £1.38m from a turnover of just £4.83m, which is staggering.
I don't think that Tesco paid Saints any money. They just put some money into the whole site development, as did Saints and the Council etc.
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7007.jpg [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| It would be interesting to know what the actual cash outflow is (rather than the "loss" which is an accounting term and may include provisions and other non-cash items). Presumably it's quite a large figure over recent years. Is McManus stumping up the cash to keep the club ticking over?
Wigan are in no position to crow. Our turnover is suspiciously low, I suspect the deal with DW's stadium company is a lousy one.
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| Quote: Deano G "It would be interesting to know what the actual cash outflow is (rather than the "loss" which is an accounting term and may include provisions and other non-cash items). Presumably it's quite a large figure over recent years. Is McManus stumping up the cash to keep the club ticking over?
Wigan are in no position to crow. Our turnover is suspiciously low, I suspect the deal with DW's stadium company is a lousy one.'"
Lenegan is happy with the deal. Turnover looks low because we don't get a lot of the incidental income from things like food & drink sales, but that's countered by the relatively low expenses.
If we owned the DW, we'd have a much higher turnover, but much higher expenses.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "How will that happen?
The accumulative losses over the last five years is almost £3.5 million and that's before this years losses.
It was stated on Red Vee a few months ago that it could take around 10 years to make up those losses, and that's if things go well.'"
Sorry Rogues rephrase that we will be making a profit.
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7007.jpg [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: Geoff "Lenegan is happy with the deal. Turnover looks low because we don't get a lot of the incidental income from things like food & drink sales, but that's countered by the relatively low expenses.
If we owned the DW, we'd have a much higher turnover, but much higher expenses.'"
You're right that our costs are lower than they would otherwise be and you're right that Lenegan has said he is happy with the deal. I still suspect it is a lousy deal though, our turnover figure suggests we are giving up a lot more revenue than just food and drink sales.
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| Quote: Deano G "You're right that our costs are lower than they would otherwise be and you're right that Lenegan has said he is happy with the deal. I still suspect it is a lousy deal though, our turnover figure suggests we are giving up a lot more revenue than just food and drink sales.'"
10% of tickets sales aint it?
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