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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



9

He's a world class hooker.

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9. If only because he's less likely to kick.

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Quote: Bill Sonny "9. Our best performances have come with him at 9 imo'"

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This is a tough one. Tommy is a dangerous player no matter what position he plays. If he'd been at 9 when Finch first came in I wonder if the comments on here would be the same? It's true Finch is giving us good direction now and him and Deacon are kicking teams to death but only the last 2 games really?
I like mike mac and wouldn't even think of bringing in another hooker unless it was Cameron Smith!!
To answer to original question, I think Tommy is equally good in both positions and his impact on the game can be improved when those around him do their job right.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "7, had you a natural hooker (don't give me the NZ tosh, he's only a 9 for those to fit him in the squad) then you'd currently be top. It's the same as us putting Monaghan at 7, yeah he does a decent job but he's not as effective.'"



Haha. Of course they'd play a player who they didn't even pick for the Anzac tset out of position just to fit him into the team! Let's ignore the fact that NZ actually play well with him at hooker and have won the world cup with him there. No, you're absolutely right...no, really....honest...I'm not joking.... icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Phuzzy "Haha. Of course they'd play a player who they didn't even pick for the Anzac tset out of position just to fit him into the team! Let's ignore the fact that NZ actually play well with him at hooker and have won the world cup with him there. No, you're absolutely right...no, really....honest...I'm not joking.... and you said my standards had dropped.

People on here are saying since he's been at hooker he's more involved, well yeah duh Hooker is the most involved position on the park and a Benji Marshall he isn't or even a Stacey Jones.

At hooker he's a third the player Riddell was, and if piggy was a kiwi i'd guarantee he get the job over TL.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "9, we look so much better with Tommy at 9.'"


Agreed. We just need to think carefully about a #7 for next season.

Tommy has to be our 9 going forward.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "and you said my standards had dropped.

People on here are saying since he's been at hooker he's more involved, well yeah duh Hooker is the most involved position on the park and a Benji Marshall he isn't or even a Stacey Jones.

At hooker he's a third the player Riddell was, and if piggy was a kiwi i'd guarantee he get the job over TL.'"


I disagree, I don't think the difference between Riddell and Leuluai at hooker is anywhere near as great as that. As good as Riddell was he was always slightly hampered by his physique. He almost always made the right decisions at dummy half but he wasn't always the quickest to get into position which meant there was more that he could have offered had he looked after himself a little better. He was also caught out defensively a few times while he was at Wigan because having Riddell defending alongside the prop forwards would often mean a lack of mobility, particularly in the area behind the ruck.

Leuluai might not be a natural hooker but he does bring his own skills into the mix. He's very quick to get into position which further improves the pace of a quick play the ball. He'll often jump in and have a forward already on his shoulder for a quick drive before the markers have managed to get square. He was doing this very often against Huddersfield and at times they found it hard to cope with the pace. His quick passing from dummy half was also effective against Saints where he was putting out some short passes that were very hard to deal with.

Then there's the danger he poses in broken play. If the defence isn't set around the back of the ruck then there are few players better at making the most of the gaps. When he's close to the line he's also good at forcing his way over just like he showed against Huddersfield. When he's down the middle he's often up against big forwards who find it very hard to deal with such a small powerful player so close to the line who pushes and twists he way free of their attempted tackles.

Lastly, his defence tends to be better at hooker than it was out wide in the halves. He was sometimes susceptible to a bit of pace and agility because he was too keen to get his shoulder into the tackle. At hooker he usually has to tackle bigger, slower forwards that allow him to get the shoulder in and put in some big tackles. Joel Clinton will testify to that. He's also very mobile which allows him to keep up with any pacey players that want to get in and cause havoc among the forwards.

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I'm not 100% sure which is his best position overall, but I do think that his best position in this Wigan team is 9. By having Deacon and Finch in the halves we have direction and organisation, with (what is turning into) a quality kicking game. We also have the speed, agility and power of Tommy when he's on, and the crunching tackles and tough, powerful game of McIllorum.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "7, had you a natural hooker (don't give me the NZ tosh, he's only a 9 for those to fit him in the squad) then you'd currently be top. It's the same as us putting Monaghan at 7, yeah he does a decent job but he's not as effective.'"



Had we played the same number of games as you we would currently be top. lol

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9 If only to disagree with a cut it out. mods

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This has nothing to do with Wire or me supporting wire this is a rugby discussion, what the forums should really be about rather than who has the biggest wang.

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