They won't be roughing our pack up now that Coley and possibly Hock are back.

We've got some serious size in our pack and now Hock is back we've got some good old fashioned grunt also.

As those trophies spilling out of the cabinet prove.

A call like that is a very big one and can only really be judged at the end of the season but we'll see.

Wigan only have one trophy in the last eight years.

The new central park trophy cabinet hasn't had too much of a problem with trophies spilling out either.

One good season doesn't make a great side.

Very true, but 6 Semi Finals (PO and CC) in 4 years suggests a team consistently building upwards.

And we're often accused of living in the past on here, so let's not forget not only the title we won last season, but the dominant manner in which it was done.

Of course not and I just hope we can keep the trophies coming but it will be tough. I'm not daft enough to sit here and say we've got a better pack then Wire or Hudds or a better backline then Saints or Wire or Hudds because your judged on silverware at the end of the day and were fighting to claim the 2 on offer this year.

As for yourselfs you've won nowt yet and as I say you've made some pretty big claims for a side with 'no' pots in the cabinet. If you do claim one this year I'll congratulate you and be pretty happy.

I'd rather have you guys win something then Saints or Wire.

Wait, you say we underestimate Hudds, but yet your team is better than the current SL champions in every area?

Who's underestimating who there?

You started the underestimating, I just carried it on.

Point taken on the semi finals. I think people are getting carried away though. Wigan have their best side for a good while but in recent years Bradford,Sts and Leeds can rightly claim to have been the best sides.A couple more pots and then you can start to call the likes of Coley better than average Wigan players.

It's when he can stand comparison with Skerret,Dowling,Platt and Shelford that you can expect him to roll over other teams every week.

And players like Mcillorum may rise to be as good as say Marin Hall but aren't in the same league as Nicky Kiss,Howie Tamati,Martin Dermott or even Terry Newton.

The New Zealand hooker who kept Nicky Kiss out of the team for over a season. Rated as the best hooker in the world at the time in the official ratings.

I don't recall Steve Ella or Greg Dowling winning anything with Wigan they were still great players (but probably not in your opinion).

I see Huds as genuine challengers this season. Warrington look good atm but the thing is with them is they always die a death in the play-offs. For me Huddersfield could well make OT.

To be fair though, with the exception of last year, when was the last time Warrington had a team who was this good and this close to challenging?

We shouldnt have a problem beating the giants on Sat as our pack will match the giants and we disposed them with ease at the galpharm when we had 7 players out in march.

Anyone who thinks the game on Sat will be easy and we'll walk over them needs their head testing. The giants pack is one of the best in the league and they have some good backs who can finish for fun.

No Brough makes the task a little easier but we'll need to improve our intensity in the ruck area again from Friday to win the game, they won't lie down like Graham (et al) did.

Both won the John Player trophy at Elland Road and were indeed great players at the time, you're now being silly.

Please note this game is sat not fri iv read several posts stating that they are going the game fri.