His short kicking was dreadful, especially first half. He's showing gradual improvement though, week on week.

Finch...is over-rated. You were far slicker with Deacon on.

Out of the Melbourne trio Hoffman is by fat the best whilst Lima [are you Feka in disguise?]

Finch was that crap he played in state of origin games

Finch had a better game today outside of a couple of poor kicks and Lima was very solid again. I honestly can't (well in can) believe the attitudes of some Wigan fans in writing these guys off already. They both need time especially Finch who is coming back from his first ever injury layoff. As for Lima I don't quite get the criticism full stop. I've read a couple of people call him Feka Mark II and that's really puzzling as I don't ever remember Feka getting through 15+ carries and 30+ tackles a game! He isn't an impact type prop and should in no way be compared to Feka. He's a workhorse and is doing a fine job for the team.

You know it's wrong to talk sense when it comes to Aussies on here NK, I remember folk wanting Piggy out after a few months and wishing we still had Micky Higham. How ironic now that Piggy is one of the bigger losses in the team this year.

Nothing special .......yet.

I will give him another 6 weeks.

I'd actually like to see some of you lot watch a game of rugby. Look what finch does for organising the defensive line. He positions everyone in attack and people follow. The only game where he has been poor this year was the catalans game.

we would not have got the draw at leeds if it wernt for finch

he scored our only points against wire

people are expecting too much too soon. he should be praised for giving a very good account of himself today.

I wonder what the hell I've been doing then after watching Wigan since 1958 ?

The other thing is - Finch and Lima have copped a lot of stick since arriving here, but how many of last year's team of unstoppables have played anything like as well this year?

For me, only Sam Tomkins has been a consistant performer. Joel, Lockers, Tommy and George have all blown hot and cold. Prekky and Moss have done okay, but I think Coley has been less effective. McIlorum has tried hard, but I don't think he's the answer to our hooking problem. In the second row, I reckon Faz is now better than Hansen, but he still doesn't get as much game time.

If you look at the away league fixture at Leeds last year, when we crucified them, all of these guys were absolute dynamite. We haven't seen anything like that this year yet.

So picking on two of the three new boys - especially when one has been seriously injured and the other has had minimal game time thanks to suspension - is a bit short-sighted, IMO.

Agreed - we are a bit off the boil compared to last year and are missing the guile and change in play that Piggy gave us - together with missing Fielden who's has been the mainstay of our pack for the past couple of years.

Combine this with Richards missing the season start (look how much better we are with him in the team - takes pressure off sam at FB, & he get's us at least a couple more points a game with kicks) Gleeson saga, playing St George, Maguire, it's been a pretty disruptive start to the season.

Finch is struggling to get to grips with coming back from injury, adapting to a key position without having had much if any prep time with the squad, and expectations from fans that we have signed cronk rather than finch - he's definately more of an organiser and playmaker rather than a game breaker - some fans will never be happy with that. He is struggling with his game but this form isn't the player maguire signed.

Lima - bad (and probably harsh) start with the disciplinary has put him under the spotlight and every thing he does (or doesn't) is now magnified 100x.

If we can keep the results going while we are struggling with form and stay in touch at the top 4 then we will come stronger in the 2nd half of the season and the criticism of these 2 from 3 imports will go (apart from the usual lifetime moaners........)...

It was Finchs kick that Gardner had to palm dead which gave us the field position to score the winning try.

His only poor kick was in the first half which went touch in goal.

he was a little better today but i still dont rate him think we could do alot better

Copious post-match beers might be clouding my memory, but I saw a lot more than just one poor kick.

I'm not slagging him off at all, there has been a massive improvement elsewhere, especially in his defensive efforts and his passing game, and I expect that improvement to continue as he gains match fitness and gets used to the players around him.

Maguire knows the players better than anyone, he knows the job they can do for the team and the team looked better with Finch,Deacon and Leuluai on. Lima is playing ok I thought he played his best game yesterday, hammered and came back for more. The team will improve for that game and if the intensity of the St George game is back in the play offs I can see Old Trafford, but I would like a trip to Wembley

Please don't get me started about this guy! Not only is he a joker off the pitch but on it as well! Sorry he does not cut the mustard at all. I appreciate that some Aussies take time to settle in but this guy looks like he just cannot be ar$$d. I disagree with the view that if he was from Wigan we would be "up his booty", because on his performances to date we would definitely not be.