McIllorum cannot lead us or direct us round the field, and sadly I do not think he ever will be able to. I appreciate that he has a good defence and is hard as nails, but personally I do not think he has what it takes to be a career Wigan player. He has his moments but for me Piggy carried us last year around the ruck and its a skill McIllorum will never have.

In my opinion Lima should not pick up a ban, but if he does, Davies from what I have seen this year has been poor, looks badly out of condition to me, carrying too much weight up top and not enough on his legs.

He's been ok but we've massively missed Piggy.

I agree we need to swap changing which is why we start from now with our best line up.

Finch isn't a green behind the ears youngster here. He's played and won GF and SOO games. He found form on Friday and looked good with Deacs. Let's build on it.

Your right jon. When I think back to Thursday night Davies looked along way of the player he was at Widnes. I appreciate he broke his jaw earlier this season. But after seeing his lethargic performance for Barrow I can see why Crosby has moved ahead of him in the pecking order.

Shame really because with Coley's expected departure at the end of this season. Ben may see a fair bit of game time next year, if he's up to it.

Gaz hock will be our prop next year. He is the ready made replacement for coley. The props in 2012 will be:

Fielden
Lima
Preccy
Mossop
Hock
Crosby
Possibly O Carroll.

I think Davis will go at the end of this year when his contract expires

Sam
Charnley
Joel
Carmont
Pat
Finch
Deacon
Prescott
Tommy
Coley
Farrell
Hoffman
O'loughlin

Mossop
HH
Mcilorum
Lima/Tuson

He let the poor players do the work then

This but with Farrell on the bench and Hansen starting... and also Prescott has more impact than Lima so should be played off the bench.

In my opinion the key to team selection is to see if Madge is willing to change things around during the game when things are not going our way. All last season we were always in with a shout even in the games we lost.... there was no need to change things around too much... this season has been different, we needed a change in the wire game and the catalans game but nothing really came. In the Leeds game the switch of Sam to 6 won the game.

If things are not going our way and we are not in the game then I hope Madge leaves Tommy for a long spell at hooker while moving Sam to 6 in attack.

Hansen is probably the most under rated player at Wigan. His work rate, discipline and defensive effort are fantastic. He needs to be in the starting 13 and in the second row.

Spot on.

I've often said when he plays it allows the other more 'flashy' players to shine.

He's like Deacon in that sense.

Graham i think will be playing. Saints have been training with him going fine

We have to go with the same team as we played at Hull KR. I'd actually be chuffed with us having the same 17 out for two games in a row for one of the first times this season, if not the first.

I was reading something the other day which said Deacon could be missing due to his wife about to give labour? I hope she holds out until saturday and Deacs leads us to victory on Friday.

Otherwise for me its

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Charnley
3. Joel Tomkins
4. Carmont
5. PAT
6. Deacon/ Finch
7. Leuluai
8. Lima
9. McIllorum
10. Coley
11. Hansen
12. Hoffman
13. O'Loughlin

14. Mossop
15. Prescott
16. Farrell
17. Finch/ Tuson

18. Tuson
19. Marsh

I think the only people who underate him are the people who are not from Wigan or do not watch us on a regular basis....

As well as being a hard hitting second rower who gets through bags or work he is also a top, top athlete. There are lots of hard working SR in super league but none with his pace and athleticism, not many second rowers in the league could have done what he did at Leeds last season, he beat a FB for pace.

The only thing I would say is that he should get through more work in attack like Ben Westwood does for Warrington, although we share the workload alot better than Warrington do IMO.

Given Lima is innocent i think the team will be exactly the same as last week

Hope so. We really need to start keeping a level of consistency regarding the side. Chopping and changing every week due to injury and suspension can't be good. I mean the Catalans game we trained with a totally different side to that that played.

Yes you are right according to this rlhttps://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/2011/04/20/st-helens-young-stand-off-ruled-out-injured-92534-28549950/rl

Graham will play but no Clough or Perry but without Gaskell or Eastmond who will they play with Lomax at half back?