They certainly were offside most of the time, but so were Wigan! All teams push it as far the ref will allow.

Whilst I agree that we definitely miss Riddell (and Let's be honest - What team wouldn't, on last year's showing), what we are *REALLY* missing is both of our first choice centre and winger on Charnley's side.

We are currently playing 2 kids on that wing. One OK centre and one talented but young winger.

What we should have there is a top quality centre in Gleeson and the league's current Man of Steel and top try scorer in Paddy.

Add to that the fact that our other centre had to get his wrist strapped up part way into the match, we had a half-back who has not only never played with this team, but was also in his first game back from a serious and long-term injury, plus just after we subbed Finchy to change the team round a little, we had Tommy pretty much knocking himself out (literally) to save a try.

Finally, above everything else, we were facing a Warrington team that simply worked harder for each other and got the rub of the green.

We had what? 3 or 4 tries ruled out last night (all but one of them correctly).
On another night, we get some/all those and the game might go our way.

It'll all work out in the end, and I'm still absolutely convinced that we saw the league's 2 top teams play last night.

I'll be quite surprised if it's not Wigan/Wire in 1st/2nd at the end of the season, having seen what the other teams have to offer.

I just think we need another 4-6 weeks before we start seeing the best of Wigan, with Pat back, Gleeson either back or replaced, Joel back (we could have done with him at centre last night), Finch with a bunch of games under his belt and a better team understanding of his play-style, Hock pulling his tripe out to get back in the team after his ban (i.e. pushing ALL of the other fornt/second rowers to work harder themselves).

To sum up - Relax. It was just one game, where inexperience in certain key areas was exploited by a well-drilled Warrington team.

I'll be amazed if we're seeing that sort of performance in 1-2 months time.

(Apologies for the long post, and thank you/well done if you made it this far)

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Charnley and Marsh aren't playing on the same wing anymore.

We need a scrum half. Micky Mac and Tommy, spelled correctly, are a match for anyone, for sure Clarke and Higham.

Tommy, good as he is, isn't the best scrum half we could wish for. The lad in the under 20's, Russell is an out and out number 7 and though he is young at 18 or 19, Myler is only 20. Until Finch gets match fitness I'd love to see him given a go.

We are missing the pig, tommy should go there now finch is fit and deacon next week, sam isnt the player he was last year so far maybe when pat comes back put him back to 6 and pat at FB.

We do need a hooker - anyone who disagrees should watch the relative performances of the two hookers alst night - Monaghan was far quicker at passing the ball/ had far more guile and creativity and looked much sharper and aware of options around him.

Thats the one for me. Roberts has only displayed his best form from full back and last season showed better attacking full back play than I have seen from anyone at Wigan. Leuluai has always played very well for New Zealand at hooker and offers a lot more than McIlorum. Tomkins is not a full back for me and needs to play 6 with Finch at 7. With a fully fit team this is how we need to go.

we need a centre!!

We need to sort out the silly gleeson stuff firstly, either sack him and bring in a solid centre for his money or sort him out and get him playing.

But we really need a centre its a sad reflection when our quickest and most dynamic centre is one that is in his mid thirties and has a dodgey knee, not that i don't think George isn't good enough he is, but we really need solid centres on both sides, this always makes a winger have an easier job. A centre who will protect his winger with kicks and can tackle is key at the minute. We know with a slightly shorter winger you need a protective centre and at the minute our part time centres just don't protect the wingers enough with kicks.

If only James roby had a pie eating twin!!!!

your in wigan just stand on any corner waving a fiver and youll have one in minutes.

Our maud's available.

Deacon is very underrated in my opinion. is kicking game and organizational skills are clearly missed when he doesn't play. For this why not have Sam at 1, with Finch and Deacon at 6 and 7 with Tommy and McM sharing the 9 spot. Sorted.

as posted previously.........stick joel in the centres until the gleeson sagas sorted

we dont need a hooker...........we have new zealands hooker.........we need 2 half backs who can gel.

More importantly we need 2 that are given time to gel. This is the only c*ck up thats been carried over from Noble in my opinion.