Well to be honest at the time I didnt think either was, and its impossible to tell from the replays anyway so what do you expect me to say?

I shouted straightaway that he'd bounced the ball over the line and the video pictures prove this.

There was also for me a big doubt over the 2nd try. Did Briscoe get the ball down beofre any part of his body or the the ball touched the white dead in goal line? Tommy certainly claimed it was no try. The problem seemed to be there was a lot of sand around the line and it didn't look very distinct. ganson blew for both tries very quickly - it does make you wonder what use these in goal judges and even touch judges are.

I'm certain if there had been a video ref at least one of the tries would have been disallowed. Having said that, both of Lockers's passes to Charnley were marginally forward ( Steveo/Eddie would have been arguing about the momentum rule!)

It doesn't surprise me that Ganson immediately gave the 2 Hull tries - he seemed desperate to get them some form of result, hence his reluctance to clamp down on the persistent foul play of a couple of Hull players. He even tried to get them a draw at the end. What was the final penalty for? From Ganson's actions it seemed as though there had been some form of obstruction or a Hull player was taken out/pushed off the ball. It must be really hurting this Saints member that they are struggling so much....!

The bottom line is through Ganson's inept handling of a series of incidents a couple of Wigan's better players may miss some vital games. If he'd sinbinned when he should have done, neither Sam nor Joel would have done what they did. Similarites with Huddersfield last year when Fielden ended up being banned for defending himself aginst the blatant foul play of Mason and co.

Fair enough, Westermans was a stone waller aswell.

oh so it definitely was then, seeing as one of our fans admitted it.

you lost, you're not the best team in Hull, good luck trying to make the top 8

Who admitted that one of O'Loughlin's passes for a try was forward?

Try ? more like a slam dunk ... i was at top of the south and saw him drop it.

Indeed. Typical "Mister Magoo" RFL officials.

Most Touchjudges and In Goal Ref's these days are about as much use as a button on a sock.

Momentum rule

At the end of the day, whether Wigan scored from forward passes or not, is debatable. They didn't look forward to me, but may have done from elsewhere. Either way, it's irrelevant. Angle of vision can be so important when it comes to forward passing that even the video referee isn't deemed reliable. We've all seen them called, and then from a different position they look perfectly okay. If the ref or touchjudge doesn't give it at the time, that's the end of the matter, and no amount of arguing will change it.

By contrast, those pictures show that Westerman's try was clearly a knock-on. Clearly. They've PROVED it.

Hull were even less effective against an undercooked Wigan side than I thought. No wonder Richard Agar's s******g bicks.

To be fair the touch judge wouldnt of seen it maybe not ganson either but the in goal jusge must have got a good view, the commentators on wish fm called it straight away

The comment was 'you have to trust the referee and in goal judge to get it right'

On the subject.......Sour grapes!! Did you get beat last weekend??

what did you expect

both passes looked forward... one was a mile forward.

It was a fair enough penalty - showed on one of the highlight packages (Boots'n'all the tries, I think)...which also showed that Ganson awarded it 8 metres closer to the posts (41m) from where the offence ocurred (49m). Fortunately, justice was done in that instance.

That's what annoys me about having the big screen at some games and not others. That, and the other Hull try which looked like he's placed the ball down in touch would have definitely have gone to the screen, and probably wouldn't have been given. These are match changing decisions and could have potentially cost us the game. They should either have the big screen at all games to make it a level playing field, or scrap it at televised games.