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| Puletua, Graham and KC were superb aginst Huddersfield, they smashed them up big style. These are the three key players we need to keep an eye on imo. Discipline will decide our fate imo, discipline like Leeds away we win, discipline like Leeds at home we lose.
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| If Wigan defend anything like the way they did against Leeds, then Saints are going to struggle to score enough points to win the game, especially with their weak backline. That said Saints are a bit smarter through the middle and have a much better pack than Leeds.
In the end I can see Wigan containing Saints through the middle and having the beating of them out wide. Unfortunately.
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| Ruck defence and completion.
Nowadays saints tend to feed off cheap penalties to get field position and then apply pressure to score from close range. Huddersfield found this out to their peril at the weekend and played right into saints hands. I don't think they've got the speed of thought or footwork to score from distance any more so if we can keep ruck penalties down to minimum and play in their half we'll go well.
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If there's one thing I'm going to be sick of hearing before the weeks out, its going to be "Saints deserve it for Cunningham", or "what a fairytale finish it would be for Cunnigham to win the Grand Final".
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If there's one thing I'm going to be sick of hearing before the weeks out, its going to be "Saints deserve it for Cunningham", or "what a fairytale finish it would be for Cunnigham to win the Grand Final".
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| Quote: LovesToSpooge "If there's one thing I'm going to be sick of hearing before the weeks out, its going to be "Saints deserve it for Cunningham", or "what a fairytale finish it would be for Cunnigham to win the Grand Final".
You're not sick of it already!?!?!
Don't forget we've had ''Cunningham's last league game at Knowsley Road'', Cunningham's last game vs Warrington at Knowsley Road'' and ''Cunningham's last ever game ever at Knowsley Road ever'' this last month!
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| Simple. Bomb the hell out of Meli and attack him at every opportunity. Get the ball in behind him when we kick and turn him around as much as possible. If we defend as well as Saturday the rest will look after itself.
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| I wouldn't try to win the forward battle, our forward pack is solid, our backs are definitely the weakness, I think you may be given a gift of Meli on the wing, outside Soliola, running at this pair is insane, but bomb them to death and you have a 50/50 or better chance of a loose ball over or near our line every time.
As for beating you, i really hope they dont try what other teams have done in smashing Sam and hoping he'll bottle it, he wont, he's hard as nails, bash your forwards has to be our best option with some quality grubbers from Matty Smith thrown in.
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| Absolutely amazed at the sheer arrogance on this thread coming from a side with one good season under their belt.
Saints are a 'barge only' side, 'pi55 poor in the backs' and if you stop Cunningham the game is done with ! Absolutely incredible from a side that have finished only 4 points higher than us and lost at home against us despite the documented problems Saints have suffered this season. This is our 5th Grand Final in a row, we were 8 minutes from Wembley again and have beaten you already this year. Indeed the win at Knowsley Road from Wigan saw you defend with utter desperation for the second half despite the most ill disciplined Saints performance in years. To suggest that this quality of side is so easily beaten is folly. Beating Saints at Old Trafford will require the best performance of the season from Wigan and I would be surprised if your pack can gain any kind of field position at all to do so this Saturday.
Reality check needed for you men. Wigan have finished top solely because of the problems that both Leeds and us have suffered this season. Saints pack is far, far stronger than Wigans and Saints' backs are more than capable of stopping the greats in your backline such as Goulding and George Carmont. I think it'll be a hell of a game with Wigan defending for much of it. Couple of scores in it for me but for Wigan to win will require Saints to drop their level from the their 2 Play Off wins. Real good side Wigan are and they will be a stern challenge at Old Trafford through their professionalism. I am quietly pleased that the derby is on centre stage as well. However I am confident as a Saints supporter that we will come out on top in a tight affair.
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| Quote: Tartan Saint "Absolutely amazed at the sheer arrogance on this thread coming from a side with one good season under their belt.
Saints are a 'barge only' side, 'pi55 poor in the backs' and if you stop Cunningham the game is done with ! Absolutely incredible from a side that have finished only 4 points higher than us and lost at home against us despite the documented problems Saints have suffered this season. This is our 5th Grand Final in a row, we were 8 minutes from Wembley again and have beaten you already this year. Indeed the win at Knowsley Road from Wigan saw you defend with utter desperation for the second half despite the most ill disciplined Saints performance in years. To suggest that this quality of side is so easily beaten is folly. Beating Saints at Old Trafford will require the best performance of the season from Wigan and I would be surprised if your pack can gain any kind of field position at all to do so this Saturday.
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Good grief, don't be so bloody soft.
Saints may have been to lots of finals, but by the sound of your post, you haven't.
What do you expect Wigan fans to do, sit around bemoaning the inevitability of defeat at the hands of their Cup Final opponents?
Lighten up and take it in the proper spirit.
PS: If Mick Potter adopts your approach and assumes that Wigan are only in the final because more deserving teams like Saints and Leeds had an off-season, then you'll lose.
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| We finished top because of Saints and Leeds problems? What a load of bitter drivvel! Have a look at the league table from the last four years. We've topped the table with more points than Saints or Leeds did in previous years and our points difference is streets ahead of any of the previous bests. Take your blinkers off, Wigan have raised the bar this year and Saints and Leeds havn't been able to match it.
As for the final, its 50/50 as all finals should be!
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| Quote: Tartan Saint "Absolutely amazed at the sheer arrogance on this thread coming from a side with one good season under their belt.
Saints are a 'barge only' side, 'pi55 poor in the backs' and if you stop Cunningham the game is done with ! Absolutely incredible from a side that have finished only 4 points higher than us and lost at home against us despite the documented problems Saints have suffered this season. This is our 5th Grand Final in a row, we were 8 minutes from Wembley again and have beaten you already this year. Indeed the win at Knowsley Road from Wigan saw you defend with utter desperation for the second half despite the most ill disciplined Saints performance in years. To suggest that this quality of side is so easily beaten is folly. Beating Saints at Old Trafford will require the best performance of the season from Wigan and I would be surprised if your pack can gain any kind of field position at all to do so this Saturday.
Reality check needed for you men. Wigan have finished top solely because of the problems that both Leeds and us have suffered this season. Saints pack is far, far stronger than Wigans and Saints' backs are more than capable of stopping the greats in your backline such as Goulding and George Carmont. I think it'll be a hell of a game with Wigan defending for much of it. Couple of scores in it for me but for Wigan to win will require Saints to drop their level from the their 2 Play Off wins. Real good side Wigan are and they will be a stern challenge at Old Trafford through their professionalism. I am quietly pleased that the derby is on centre stage as well. However I am confident as a Saints supporter that we will come out on top in a tight affair.'"
You play like you did against Huddersfield and we like play we did against Leeds and you can kiss that trophy goodbye.
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| Quote: Wandering Warrior "You play like you did against Huddersfield and we like play we did against Leeds and you can kiss that trophy goodbye.'"
Do you really believe that you will get the field position you had at Leeds against Saints' pack ? No chance.
You defended desperately against a Leeds side missing their best back and best forward. You still required what were very fortunate tries to win the contest. Well done. However I think Wigan are up against it with size of Saints forwards. If we kick well, Wigan will be looking at scoring from their own 20 metre zone for 80 minutes, which is a tough ask.
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| Quote: millfan "If we defend as we did on Saturday, they should be reduced to however many points Cunningham can get by flopping over from a yard out. Keep it tight and don't take any chances - that was key at Headingley - the couple of drop-outs we gave away with some scrambling defence in the second half were fine because we were strong enough to withstand repeat sets.
Kicking needs to be better; I like Tommy, but it seems that four in every five of his kicks are straight into opposing arms on the full. Mix it up a bit - when was the last time we kicked a 40/20? Has it even happened this season? Leon Pryce banged one for Saints at our place earlier this year and it gave them the momentum to take a grip on the game.
Tactically we need change nothing really. We're going into this having finished first in the table, and having beaten the reigning champions away in our last game. There's good reason for that. If the execution of our play is as good as it's been on most weeks this year, that should see us home. No need for changing now.'"
If you think that you only have to stop the cunningham to win on saturday you are deluded.I would worry about how coley and fielden are going to cope against the power and size of graham puletua and soliola.
Remember you might have beaten the defending champions last week ,but they were without 4 of their key players ,3 of them being their best prop forwards.If wigan were depleated like that they would struggtle to cope .You have been relatively injury free compared to leeds and saints this season and its shown in the table at the end of the year.Heres for hoping for a classic to be decided by the King at the death.
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| Quote: Tartan Saint "Do you really believe that you will get the field position you had at Leeds against Saints' pack ? No chance.
You defended desperately against a Leeds side missing their best back and best forward. You still required what were very fortunate tries to win the contest. Well done. However I think Wigan are up against it with size of Saints forwards. If we kick well, Wigan will be looking at scoring from their own 20 metre zone for 80 minutes, which is a tough ask.'"
Yes field position is important, but the difference is that Saints need it otherwise they are very unlikely to score. We have a lot better chance of scoring from our own half than Saints. Withough Pryce and Eastmond you look a very slow team.
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| Quote: saintnickle34 "If you think that you only have to stop the cunningham to win on saturday you are deluded.I would worry about how coley and fielden are going to cope against the power and size of graham puletua and soliola.
Remember you might have beaten the defending champions last week ,but they were without 4 of their key players ,3 of them being their best prop forwards.If wigan were depleated like that they would struggtle to cope .You have been relatively injury free compared to leeds and saints this season and its shown in the table at the end of the year.Heres for hoping for a classic to be decided by the King at the death.'"
But two of those are 2nd rowers. In which case we would have Fielden, Coley, Hansen, Tomkins and Lockers who are all quality defenders.
Stopping you getting easy metres is the key, but our defence has conceded over 100 less points than you this year, so its one of our strengths.
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