2nd week in a row that he's given away a daft penalty on the last, near our line towards the end of the half.

how much have wigan paid to get that dirty t**t off

I agree, drop him, and Sam aswell for being his brother...

It's the right call.

It was a stupid thing to do, and probably deserved a yellow, but not worthy of a ban.

If he made contact with the head (I know its a big if) then we would not see him play again this season. Fans moan about Hocks brain farts, Joels last night was as daft as I have seen for a long time.

According to Phil Clarke on Sky last night,Joel is the most penalised player this year in Super League.

I fully agree, but he didn't make contact.

He didn't set out to kick him in order to injure him, it wasn't malicious at all just plain stupid, and it was rightly punished.

I can believe that. He needs to sort that out, there's no doubt he's got plenty of ability. He could play a lot of Test rugby in the coming years, but we don't need to be giving the Aussies and Kiwis easy metres with daft penalties.

nd your a pack it in. Pemps arnt you? What message is it sending out that a player can take the man down without the ball and get away with it Im pretty sure there would be uproar if it happened in the last few seconds of the grand final

As a neutral, I'd agree that Joel Tomkins has got attitude problems that need sorting; he's a talented but dirty barsteward and if he continues to develop the mentality of being able to dish it out but not take it, the old stagers of this world (like McGuire) will continue to target him.

It's a fine line between gifted and tish and both Tomkins brothers are yet to sort that out in their own heads imo; the pair of them cross the line very often and that's a real pity, as they are both exceptional prospects.

if you ask me both the tomkins brothers need a good decking to bring them back down to earth.

they are both SO easy to wind up and then they lose it which is not good for the team. as two of our great young playmakers you can understand the odd tantrum here and there, but of late, despite how good they both can be for various reasons and don't get me wrong i'm not saying they are not good players, i think they are both utter class but they just seem to think they are invincible and back themselves at every turn.

we could have had at least another 3 decent half chances at getting near the try line last night if it wasn't for sam being ball greedy. on one of the occasions in the first half, both carmont and pat would have been up against one leeds player who sam didn't suck in with his angled run. just pass the fookin ball!

carmont was livid with him and rightly so. we would also have been 18 nil up with a conversion to come in that instance.

not blaming them for the loss at all, thought it was a game worthy of the GF but still, every little thing contributes.

couldn't agree more, unfortunately.