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| I wish some people would look at this years games only leeds away have we deserved to win, the others we deserved to lose the game.
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| Quote: Jukesays "*Personal Email Removed* - It does say in the bit you pasted that the email is "strictly confidential".'"
Not a clue what you're on about?
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| Quote: Finfin "Not a clue what you're on about?'"
It was an admin edit. Should have pointed that out.
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| Quote: 21-12 "Absoulute disgrace. He quite clearly hates us and iv heard many a story were he has publicly admitted this in certain places.'"
I believe that to be the one & one biased Gerry Kershaw IMO, now he was a bad ref, much worst than you see today
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| Quote: THELAST3YARDS "Maybe Bentham is considered the top ref in Super League and the games you have had him for have been against the higher placed sides, eg Leeds, Saints and Wire and you just haven't been good enough for the majority of these fixtures.
The supposedly lower ranking refs have therefore taken charge of fixtures against your Salfords, Tigers etc... where Wigan have prevailed more often.
Bradford and Quins. Definately the top teams.
We didn't deserve to win most of those games imo, but I also don't think it's a coincedence.
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| Quote: THELAST3YARDS "Maybe Bentham is considered the top ref in Super League and the games you have had him for have been against the higher placed sides, eg Leeds, Saints and Wire and you just haven't been good enough for the majority of these fixtures.
The supposedly lower ranking refs have therefore taken charge of fixtures against your Salfords, Tigers etc... where Wigan have prevailed more often.
How far back does this twenty odd games go?
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| Quote: THELAST3YARDS "I said [imaybe[/i.
24th Feb 2006 was his first Wigan game when we beat Hudds 36-20.
All stats from Bilko's fabulous site.
They really do make strange reading, and a lot of them are against the 'non top sides'
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| Quote: THELAST3YARDS "Maybe Bentham is considered the top ref in Super League and the games you have had him for have been against the higher placed sides, eg Leeds, Saints and Wire and you just haven't been good enough for the majority of these fixtures.
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More so against lower teams if you look into it.
For the record our current records which each official.........
Thierry Alibert - 7 Wins 0 Losses from 7 games - 100%
James Child - 4 Wins 0 Losses from 4 games - 100%
Ben Thaler - 15 Wins 2 Draws 4 Losses from 21 games - 78%
Ian Smith - 32 Wins 1 Draw 13 Losses from 45 games - 72.2%
Richard Silverwood - 27 Wins 12 Losses from 39 games - 69.2%
Steve Ganson - 47 Wins 4 Draws 22 Losses from 73 games - 67.1%
Phil Bentham - 7 Wins 14 Losses from 21 games - 33.3%
The average success from all that is 67.8% so Bentham is way, way, way below that.
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| Maybe Phil is just some sort of Quantum anomaly, which is why i'd love him to give me some lottery numbers.
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| Quote: Bilko "Quote: Bilko "Maybe Bentham is considered the top ref in Super League and the games you have had him for have been against the higher placed sides, eg Leeds, Saints and Wire and you just haven't been good enough for the majority of these fixtures.
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More so against lower teams if you look into it.
For the record our current records which each official.........
Thierry Alibert - 7 Wins 0 Losses from 7 games - 100%
James Child - 4 Wins 0 Losses from 4 games - 100%
Ben Thaler - 15 Wins 2 Draws 4 Losses from 21 games - 78%
Ian Smith - 32 Wins 1 Draw 13 Losses from 45 games - 72.2%
Richard Silverwood - 27 Wins 12 Losses from 39 games - 69.2%
Steve Ganson - 47 Wins 4 Draws 22 Losses from 73 games - 67.1%
Phil Bentham - 7 Wins 14 Losses from 21 games - 33.3%
The average success from all that is 67.8% so Bentham is way, way, way below that.'"
Thanks for all the statistics, Bilko! They prove what my original post was trying to show. It is frightening that Wigan have only won a third of the games Bentham has reffed when with all the other refs we have won at least two thirds!
Surely there must be a reason for this statistical discrepancy/anomaly.
I also wonder what Warrington's win/loss ratio is when Bentham was ref!
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| Bilko do you have stats on the amount of penalties he has awarded against us compared to the opposition in those losses?
Probably a bit to detailed!
Just trying to understand how it could stand out so much it doesn't look right at all..
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| Looking at the stats is one thing, but if you look at Bentham's PERFORMANCE during those games then it's clear something is wrong.
If we get penalties, we get them on the 1st and second tackle between "4 and 6" points on the pitch. The opposition, however, get them later on in the count nearer the wings. 50/50 decisions never go our way, and certainly in the Leeds game, he was doing us for offside and lying on, yet letting Leeds get away with them.
The above, I appreciate, simply sounds like a moan, but when you get even neutrals noticing it, then there is obviously something in it.
Another annoying trait with Bentham is the way he speaks to our players. He's very dismissive and indifferent with them, whereas he will speak at more length, and helpfully with others. Referees are meant to be 'pro-active',in that they will warn players when they're at risk of giving penalties away; with Wigan he doesn't do that. He just blows his whistle.
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| Quote: MidlandsWarrior2 "Bilko do you have stats on the amount of penalties he has awarded against us compared to the opposition in those losses?
Probably a bit to detailed!
Just trying to understand how it could stand out so much it doesn't look right at all..'"
You will probably find that the penalty count is fairly even. What he tends to do is give the opposition penalties early doors - and, like I said in my previous post - he gives them in pressure-relieving situations for them, and pressure-creating situations for us.
Later on in the game, he will even the penalty count up with a series of, early tackle, nothing penalties.
Consider this - you get a penalty on the second tackle, in front of your own posts, 20 metres out. You can expect to get to your own 40 metre line with a touchline kick. OR, you can receive a penalty at tackle four or five, on halfway, near to one of the touchlines. This means you should then receive a further six tackles 20 metres from your opponents line, and the likelihood of gaining a score.
Guess which type of penalty we tend to get from him, and which type of penalty we rarely get from him.
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