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Quote: Salty "I've always said the best props were converted second rowers. Examples of this are McTigue, Clawson, Platt, Kevin Ward and Les Boyd. The extra speed this brings to the prop forward position is vital. So, Hock moving to prop seems a good idea, especially if he has bulked up.'"



so none recently? the game has moved on since those days, nowadays 2nd rowers who turn into props only tend to do it cos they have lost a bit of pace.

Hock was devastating last season when running out wide and drawing in the centres to make space for our centre and wing, back row is deffo the position for him

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[quote="king warrior":prbr924b]Adam Blair flew over yesterday and has been training the deal is going to be signed this week Got to say this is a top signing[/quote:prbr924b]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16493.jpg

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Quote: nikos "so none recently? the game has moved on since those days, nowadays 2nd rowers who turn into props only tend to do it cos they have lost a bit of pace.

Hock was devastating last season when running out wide and drawing in the centres to make space for our centre and wing, back row is deffo the position for him'"

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He has probably just agreed to the deal in principle as have people have said it cant be officially signed until his ban is up. Lets hope hes royally ed off with himself and comes back angry and ready to put himself about icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Hock cannot "sign" a deal with any club until his ban runs out, which is one year away.'"


Out of interest, does the ban stipulate anything about signing a sort of agreement which says he will sign for the club when he's eligible to?

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Personally, I would think that he CAN sign a deal now.

If not, he would be free from his ban in 12 months, but still be officially unable to play due to not having a deal in place. That could be construed as a restraint of trade.

There is no reason that he can't sign a deal with a professional club with a start date of the day that his ban expires.

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Its not a restraint of trade as he falls directly under the rules governing players that have been banned for drug taking. Rules are clear he cant have contact with any Rugby team until his ban expires. Wether he has had an agreement in place since or after the ban is another matter. No official word will come until the ban expires.

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When is he free to play?
Is it 2 years from when he was first suspended following the positive A test or from the b test and the ban. They were some time apart, maybe six weeks or so!
Anyone know?

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Quote: Father Ted "When is he free to play?
Is it 2 years from when he was first suspended following the positive A test or from the b test and the ban. They were some time apart, maybe six weeks or so!
Anyone know?'"



From the A sample.

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Quote: Pie Eyed "Personally, I would think that he CAN sign a deal now.

If not, he would be free from his ban in 12 months, but still be officially unable to play due to not having a deal in place. That could be construed as a restraint of trade.

There is no reason that he can't sign a deal with a professional club with a start date of the day that his ban expires.'"


You would think so wouldnt you? If that isnt the case and somebody took that to a court of law they would win hands down. Just because somebody has made a mistake and been banned for doing something illegal it doesnt mean his life ends and he cant plan a future. They even let prisoners in jail plan what they are going to do when they get out! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: jonh "Only in the eyes of the blind in my opinion.

Do not get me wrong he did some very good stuff from time to time, but his decision making was poor and he was also lazy.

Gaz Hock will never be a highly skilled forward, he has his moments but for every good moment there were several bad moments.

What Hock brings to the table as a rugby player is aggression and his physical gifts of pace and power, he will never be a great decision maker.

Playing him at Prop he cannot be lazy, his best spell for Wigan in my opinion came when he was played at 13 and had to up his work rate. He is a strong runner and he needs to use this more, not hang on the fringes waiting for the ball to come to him.

We have massive strength in the backrow and personally I feel Tomkins is much nearer the final finished product now than Hock ever was. If Hock is ever to reach his potential as a player for me he must play Prop, and from what i hear regarding his training and the way he is being handled I feel the club agree.

Hock prior to his ban was drifting all the ability in the world but not the endeavour, I feel his ban will be the best thing that ever happened to him as a player and Wigan will benefit by having one of the finest front row forwards in the game once he gets his match fitness back.'"


That's a very good post mate. And Hock is definately very much in the Peacock sort of mould, who also went from backrow to Prop.

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I think he can sign a contract 12 months before the end of his ban, i think matt stevens announced in january this year that he had signed a contract with saracens starting in january of next year

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Quote: Wandering Warrior "You would think so wouldnt you? If that isnt the case and somebody took that to a court of law they would win hands down. Just because somebody has made a mistake and been banned for doing something illegal it doesnt mean his life ends and he cant plan a future. They even let prisoners in jail plan what they are going to do when they get out! four-year deal with Bath last March after being found guilty of taking cocaine, as "a massively significant signing". '"


Quote: The Jolly Ginger Giant "Saracens, second in the Guinness Premiership, have indicated that Stevens will not train with their squad or be integrated in the club in any way until his ban has expired. '"


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when does his actual ban run to exactly, 23rd June was when it first was speculated, when did he get banned

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Quote: cherryandwhitedavid06 "when does his actual ban run to exactly, 23rd June was when it first was speculated, when did he get banned'"


His first sample was 5th June 2009. So it'll be two years from that date (or very close)
rlhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/rugby-league/wigans-hock-faces-long-ban-after-positive-test-for-cocaine-1715849.htmlrl

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