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| Completely agree. I am a Feka fan but his game is very limited, as is Ainscoughs. Madge is a stickler for defense and looks very hard at game stats in this area.
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| Thought Pryce might have been in line what with all the tries hes been scoring for the under 20's. Maybe Madge doesn't like what he sees
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| Quote: Bondi_Warrior "Spot on. Too many people are in love with him because he scored alot of trys, and conviently ignore how many trys he costs a team.'"
Fair comment, though his net return is still positive. It's a good (hypothetical) question, though: would you prefer someone to score 20 tries and concede 10, say, to one who scores 10 but has perfect defence?
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| Quote: Geoff "Fair comment, though his net return is still positive. It's a good (hypothetical) question, though'"
Give me that option anytime.
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| Ditto. Any one of those ten tries conceded could in theory cost you a game, and 2 SL points with it. If I was a centre I'd want to have a winger outside me I coud trust to defend properly and be in the right position at all times
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| Quote: dirtbag83 "Ditto. Any one of those ten tries conceded could in theory cost you a game, and 2 SL points with it. If I was a centre I'd want to have a winger outside me I coud trust to defend properly and be in the right position at all times'"
Sure, but that works both ways, any of those 20 scored could equally well win a game.
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| Quote: Geoff "Fair comment, though his net return is still positive. It's a good (hypothetical) question, though
The one that scores 10 and is perfect in defence. In games like were we are up by 2 with minutes to go and were defending for our lives on the try line, we need all 13 guys to defend perfectly no weak links. Would you want him on the wing then???
I understand what you mean by his net return, but what use is it him scoring 4 trys in a game we win 58-0, compared to him costing us a try in game we lose 18-16..... Hypothetical i know, but his net retun would be 3 yet a guy who scored just 1 try but didnt conceed any could mean we win both.
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| Quote: Geoff "Quote: Geoff "Spot on. Too many people are in love with him because he scored alot of trys, and conviently ignore how many trys he costs a team.'"
Fair comment, though his net return is still positive. It's a good (hypothetical) question, though
I agree with all the comments about defence, I think we need a team of complete players (as much as is possible)
However, it doesn't mean to say I'm not looking forward to seeing how Ainscough goes on Friday, because I am. He definitely has a rare talent with the ball in his hands and has the ability to light up the game, particulalry one where we are expected to win easily. This his is problem though in that I don't think we can afford him in tighter games, of which we have a couple coming up in the near future.
When it comes down to it though I think he is not yet good enough attacking wise to cancel out his stubborn weaknesses in defence. As well as that I think his size will do for him.
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| I think some of this stuff about Ainsough's defence is being exaggerated. I've been critical of him in the past, but I don't think he's the complete turnstyle that some are suggesting, or that anything we've seen of him at Cas should be a source of concern.
At Cas he was clearly playing in a woeful team. Against Huddersfield, they were flanked on a number of occasions - it wasn't just Ainscough, it was Shenton as well.
In fact, I've heard it's because of this that he's been brought home.
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| Quote: Geoff "Fair comment, though his net return is still positive. It's a good (hypothetical) question, though
I would certainly take the latter.
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| People are going overboard about Ainscough's try scoring abilities aswell.
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| Quote: Bondi_Warrior "The one that scores 10 and is perfect in defence. In games like were we are up by 2 with minutes to go and were defending for our lives on the try line, we need all 13 guys to defend perfectly no weak links. Would you want him on the wing then???
I understand what you mean by his net return, but what use is it him scoring 4 trys in a game we win 58-0, compared to him costing us a try in game we lose 18-16..... Hypothetical i know, but his net retun would be 3 yet a guy who scored just 1 try but didnt conceed any could mean we win both.'"
Sure, but again that works both ways. He'd be equally as likely to score the winning tries in a close game, and concede tries like we did against Sheffield, when it didn't really matter.
I can see both sides..and I know Madge, too, prefers defence - I'm kinda playing "devil's advocate" here.
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| Quote: CAM. "People are going overboard about Ainscough's try scoring abilities aswell.'"
Perhaps so, though I'm not aware of anyone with a better tries per game ratio.
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| Quote: Cruncher "I think some of this stuff about Ainsough's defence is being exaggerated. I've been critical of him in the past, but I don't think he's the complete turnstyle that some are suggesting, or that anything we've seen of him at Cas should be a source of concern.
At Cas he was clearly playing in a woeful team. Against Huddersfield, they were flanked on a number of occasions - it wasn't just Ainscough, it was Shenton as well.
In fact, I've heard it's because of this that he's been brought home.'"
I get what you mean, but some of the one on one efforts to make a tackle have been very poor.... I honestly think people under dont see or accept how poor is defence can be. As for the big arugement that he scores alot of tries, well we havent exactly suffered with that this season, 3 out of the top 4 try scorers are from Wigan.
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| Quote: Cruncher "I think some of this stuff about Ainsough's defence is being exaggerated. I've been critical of him in the past, but I don't think he's the complete turnstyle that some are suggesting, or that anything we've seen of him at Cas should be a source of concern.
At Cas he was clearly playing in a woeful team. Against Huddersfield, they were flanked on a number of occasions - it wasn't just Ainscough, it was Shenton as well.
In fact, I've heard it's because of this that he's been brought home.'"
You can't say stuff like that.
Anyone that dares to say his defence isn't as bad as made out on here always get shot down.
The fact of the matter is that you’re right Cruncher his defensive lapses are majorly over exaggerated on here by some. The same people are very quick to rubbish his defence but never to acknowledge just how good he is in attack. That isn’t being blind to his defensive weaknesses but rather giving a balanced picture of his overall game.
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