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Is a dedicated interchange hooker even necessary?'"


The Aussies don't seem to think so and considering we're being coached by one maybe thats the road we'll eventually go down.

I'd fancy McIlorum or Leuluai's chances of completing 80mins at hooker more then I would Piggy's though. I thought McILorum showed some neet touches in terms of kicking out of dummy half last year. Maybe McGuire can turn him into Wigans Cameron Smith icon_biggrin.gif

Long shot i know.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: NickyKiss "The Aussies don't seem to think so and considering we're being coached by one maybe thats the road we'll eventually go down.

I'd fancy McIlorum or Leuluai's chances of completing 80mins at hooker more then I would Piggy's though. I thought McILorum showed some neet touches in terms of kicking out of dummy half last year. Maybe McGuire can turn him into Wigans Cameron Smith
In super league though the impact hooker still works in many ways so that is a very long term thing as the game evolves. IMO the game is going to start needing more skillfull forwards and players like Ellis, Burgess and offloading props like Crabtree will become more valueble.

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "I'll light the blue touch paper here I think
i dont think he had a worse season the mcIlorum but he certainly was no better.. as far as a dedicated interchange hooker is concerned i think it is used to change the dimention of the game. maybe to confuse a tired defence. it works sometimes other times it doesnt. Is there a need that is certainly questionable .

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Quote: NickyKiss "The Aussies don't seem to think so and considering we're being coached by one maybe thats the road we'll eventually go down.

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Which hooker is coaching us??

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Quote: Odemwingie "In super league though the impact hooker still works in many ways so that is a very long term thing as the game evolves. IMO the game is going to start needing more skillfull forwards and players like Ellis, Burgess and offloading props like Crabtree will become more valueble.'"


We definitely need more offloading in our pack to generate some 2nd phase play options, we've been sadly lacking on that since the loss of Hock

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Quote: Neil_A "Which hooker is coaching us??'"


I meant an Aussie not a hooker.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "We definitely need more offloading in our pack to generate some 2nd phase play options, we've been sadly lacking on that since the loss of Hock'"


Problem is for the last few seasons when we get some second phase play, we just give it to Hock or a prop, hopefully Tomkins will take charge in broken play or we can start spinning out to the centres and wingers more often.

Hock is a huge loss but we just have to get on with it.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I meant an Aussie not a hooker.'"


Ahh ok then icon_surprised.gifops:

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I think McIlorum will be the one who gets left out unfortunately. IMO our best option is:

6. Tomkins
7. Deacon

9. Leuluai

14. Riddell

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Quote: 21-12 "I think McIlorum will be the one who gets left out unfortunately. IMO our best option is

Riddell starting with Tommy on the bench for me.

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Quote: Odemwingie "I can see McIlorum being the one to be left out if I'm honest. However MaGuire and Wane will pick a team for what they have to face so it will change around in certain games I think.

IMO currently the best we can put out is

6 Tomkins
7 Deacon

9 McIlorum

14 Leuluai

I appreciate Riddell as a player but do not think he has been as good as he should be and therefore should have to work for his place more. I feel McIlorums supperior defence is currently more valuble to the team than what Piggy brings which lets be honest at times has not been much.'"




i d go with that and put piggy prop

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Quote: shooter69 "i d go with that and put piggy waterboy '"
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Am i the only one who doesnt think McIlorum distribution from hooker really isnt good? IMO he has something in him and could be a good player i just personally dont think at hooker. He hits hard and does run hard but IMO is to slow and often doesnt find a running player with a crisp pass. If he was an Australian/not from wigan would everyone be wanting him in the team at hooker then?

As for the argument i personally think TL game is much more suited to hooker

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TL is so much a better 9 than a 7 imo.


I have said this since the day he joined us. In fact I said it before he joined us.

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IMO we wont win anything with Leuluai at 7 hes a million times better at 9.

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