Both Smith and Lowe's have had the same squad this year to use, yet the results under Smith while not spectacular in the league have been a massive improvement over Lowe's. Yes it boils down to the players at the end of the day but it shows what a good coach compared to a bad one can get out of the same group of players.

Like I said, walk before he can run.

Noble's been at Wigan 3 years (they are Noble's players).

Smith has been at Wire 4 months (they are Cullens / Lowes's players - apart from Mathers).

When Noble came in at Wigan in 2006, he got us away from bottom did we make the playoffs? No. He didn't win us the Challenge up either.

How much of a difference to us that is making is difficult to say, but as time goes by it's getting harder and harder to tell who will be are coach next year. I for one hope it isn't Noble and instead is the guy in my sig.

I'm a bit loathed to put any arguments forward about the Noble and Smith because of the crazy situation I mentioned in the last post.
I really hope that Smith can work some of this 'magic' on England in the 4 nations.

Getting my tickets for the England-Australia game at the JJB next week

I will judge Smith on Englands performance.

I would not say he turned wire around, they had a crap coach before that but they have quality players. Most coaches could of made the difference to wire.

Jimmy Lowes crap? That's very generous.

Why?

We've thrown everyone at the GB/England job. Thats clearly a deeper issue.

Reckon he should be judged on his domestic achievements personally. He turned Huddersfield around, completely transformed Leeds and turned them into the fantastic side they are today, and has brought Warrington a Challenge Cup within months of joining

He's an absolutely phenomenal coach (certainly for British RL's standards) and anyone who says otherwise is bitter or daft

He's certainly turned Mathers round. What a difference.

You think so? Still wouldn't have him in my team.

I thought he had an OK game today and that was about it, certainly wouldn't consider having him back when comparing him to Phelps, but I'm glad the lads turned him self around.

Why wasn't he wearing a Red Rose?

The great people of our game perform at the highest level. He is obviously a good coach, if he coaches England to glory he will be a great one.

Tony Smith has done an excellent job at Warrington. After our start to the season nobody would have given us a chance of making top 8, never mind winning the Challenge Cup.

He is instilling the right mental attitude it the side. Prior to his arrival there is no way we would have beaten Hull KR in the quarter or Wigan in the semi.

We are now with the mental strength to hold out under pressure. Some of our defence today was incredible.

But you said he had not turned Wire around. Quite clearly he has.

As for being a success at International level - the guy is Human, he needs something to work with in fairness.

Winning two league titles with vastly underachieving Leeds, taking them to a World Champions crown and then taking vastly underachieving Warrington to a cup win within months of joining is a fantastic achievement.

He's the best coach this Country has seen for a long time

Coaching a club team is massively different to coaching a national side. I wouldn't expect Wayne Bennett or Ricky Stuart could take our national team and do much with it.