I would not admit to watching that programe on here, I expect better from you

A better thread would perhaps be - Players IL hasnt signed for 2010.

Okay so we can't bring in a prop forward at the moment for whatever reason.

But one important change we can make which will have a more significant difference on the side than any signing and probably something we should focus more on in these threads is a change of coach.

Brian Noble has done his duty for me. He saved us from relegation and has took us back up to the top end of the table. But we haven't seen any consistency during the season. We only seem to turn up for half the season and bottle it in the semi-finals. I don see us going any further. So thanks for what you have done here Brian but it's best for both parties to move on.

Just look at what a change of coach has had on the Huddersfield Giants. Look at that Wembley Giants team on paper and compare it to ours. On paper we have the better team but the difference is Nathan Brown is getting the most out of players such as Eorl Crabtree, Keith Mason (imagine what a change of coach could do for Fielden), He's brought out the best from Kevin Brown and Luke Robinson. Huddersfield now do the basics so effectively. He's not afraid to give the young lads a chance. Look at the Saints game for example. I know people will say yeah but you have to take their situation into account. Okay so do you think Brian Noble in the same situation would have put out a team full of youngsters? No.

So Michael McGuire is the latest linked with us. Brilliant people keep giving him good raps. We don't have to have the best team in the competition to win, we have to have the best coached team in the league. Look at last years World Cup. Were New Zealand the best team? Hell no the Aussies were. But were they the best coached team? Yes.

So although we can't bring in any new players or we might not be bringing in any new players it is a disappointment but we can bring in a new coach will have a bigger impact than any player ever will.

Imagine a coach who could get more from Mark Riddell? Amos Roberts? Stuart Fielden? Martin Gleeson etc. Imagine if all these players were playing at their best of their abilitys. We would be a fantastic side.

Who do you think would get more from Mark Riddell - Nathan Brown or Brian Noble?

So although we might be disappointed we can bring in a new coach who could have a bigger impact than any signing we could possibly make.

We may not be bringing any players in for 2010 because the club's finances are a mess. We need to face the reality that the club simply can't afford anyone unless IL pays for them out of his own pocket.
And why should he?
Wigan should be a stand alone financially viable company. At the moment it appears it is further away from that than the squad is from winning a trophy.
It may be the case we have to go in 2010 with what we've got and look to 2011 for signings when money is freed up from contracts and the club's finances are in better shape.
We now have a stable squad with numbers 1-7 sorted unlike the start of this season. The pack has quality and experience and will need to play far better next year. With so many forwards being out of contract end of 2010 we could well see a very improved pack from this year as they will all be playing for new deals.
We also have a good squad for the end of 2009 and the new play offs could help us.
For most of us, especially like me who think we need another prop, we may well have to hold our nerve and see it out!

Who in the competition is making a profit? To my knowledge no one, plus I would bet Lenegan knew when he took over that some of his own money would have to be put into the club.
Saints the most successful club in superleague are in somewhat of a mess financially yet McManus has used his own money to fund the club to great success. It's not a question of Lenegan being tight or the club having no profit to spend, It's simply down to the fact we have no room on the salary cap as to the explanation for no signings in 2011.

Spot on Cadoo and it’s something I’ve been thinking about more and more since IL mentioned that we aren’t looking at anyone for next season.

Honestly with my hand on my heart I’d rather have a new coach who can get the most out of our current players we have than sign any player in the world. A new coach is that important imo.

Wire have proven in the past that no matter how good your players are (Morley & King) if you’ve got a coach like Cullen or Lowes your not gonna see the best from them.

A new coach with a good knowledge of modern techniques who can constantly get the best out of his players but at the same time give a rollocking when it’s needed is more important to this team than any current player or potential signing we could make.

I still stand by a post I made a few months back saying we’ve got massive potential in the playing dept at this club with good established players like Richards and Gleeson mixing well with exciting club produced talent. But the major plus point is that all our current players can play much better than they are doing and that’s a fantastic position to be in.

Like you said Cadoo imagine what a new coach could do with the likes of Fielden, Roberts, Gleeson, Feka, Tommy, Richards, Joel and Piggy! Not all of those players have played particularly badly this season but a new coach could get sooooo much more out of them.

We talk about new signings but imagine if a coach could get more out of Feka and Riddell by being a little stricter with them. Or bulking up Fielden to the size needed to get him back to a decent level. Those three improvements would be the equivalent of a new front row at the club!!! It’s the same in other areas of the team as well were we’ve got the potential but it’s not maximised to its full effect.

A new coach that can raise the standard of not only the training but also the whole culture at the club is worth his weight in gold imo. We’ve got enough potential, youth and even experience in our side to be confident that we could see a marked improvement next season if the right guy was at the helm.

u need some up an comming hungry youngsters

If i could sign two players from any club it would be :

Jason Ryles and either jamie peacock or Adrian morley

On the same note i have just noticed hull are to release king and thackray so that will probably be the actual level we end up signing.

Would rather have Thackary than King but neither are particually good.

SPOT ON

If we had 2 of those then wew would have a really good chance of honours.

It is now down to IFL to deliver the squad

Adrian Morley this year and LMS next year.

Rather have Burgess but he is going to Aus and no chance of Graham coming