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Quote: dany1979 "I just hope that this is not an indication of a wider culture at Wigan and is just isolated to Hock.

Changing the culture of a club can be a very difficult thing to do.'"


True, but a club not to far away seems to be managing it.

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The club has set the bar with Dave Allen... anything less than the same is hypocritical imho. Time to let him go (breach of contract and all that) and move on...

If in two years time, he's in good shape, and consents to a testing programme and wants to redeem himself to the club, fans that he has let down, and himself, and, there is a space for him at the club, I would have no problem with him returning then.

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Quote: Memony "The club has set the bar with Dave Allen... anything less than the same is hypocritical imho. Time to let him go (breach of contract and all that) and move on...

If in two years time, he's in good shape, and consents to a testing programme and wants to redeem himself to the club, fans that he has let down, and himself, and, there is a space for him at the club, I would have no problem with him returning then.'"

Precedent will mean nothing - in this case Hock's potential to hurt us in two years time playing for someone else is likely to result in the club's morals going out of the window.

I'm undecided on the whole thing, yes he's let us down big time, but I'm also a believer in rehabilitation. A person like Gaz may need the support of the club and a second chance in life to learn from his mistakes rather than us turning our back on him, which otherwise could result in him being lost to the game completely.

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Quote: giwildgo "Precedent will mean nothing - in this case Hock's potential to hurt us in two years time playing for someone else is likely to result in the club's morals going out of the window.

I'm undecided on the whole thing, yes he's let us down big time, but I'm also a believer in rehabilitation. A person like Gaz may need the support of the club and a second chance in life to learn from his mistakes rather than us turning our back on him, which otherwise could result in him being lost to the game completely.'"
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I cannot believe the criticism Hock is facing from many on here.


He did some coke.


It's not like he murdered anyone.


Bloody hell, the guy is a youngster and made a mistake. Haven't we all done that?

Give him a break.

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "]


I cannot believe the criticism Hock is facing from many on here.


He did some coke.


It's not like he murdered anyone.


Bloody hell, the guy is a youngster and made a mistake. Haven't we all done that?

Give him a break.'"


Hes getting a break 2 years.

If that had been Fielden, Ridell, Pryce youd want them out of the club. So hes young there is no exscuse he knew the rules now he has to abide by them.

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "]


I cannot believe the criticism Hock is facing from many on here.


He did some coke.


It's not like he murdered anyone.


Bloody hell, the guy is a youngster and made a mistake. Haven't we all done that?

Give him a break.'"


I agree 100%.

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Quote: Memony "The club has set the bar with Dave Allen... anything less than the same is hypocritical imho. Time to let him go (breach of contract and all that) and move on...

If in two years time, he's in good shape, and consents to a testing programme and wants to redeem himself to the club, fans that he has let down, and himself, and, there is a space for him at the club, I would have no problem with him returning then.'"


How did they set precedent with dave allen? I'm pretty sure that he was a widnes player when he got caught!

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Quote: The Jolly Ginger Giant "How did they set precedent with dave allen? I'm pretty sure that he was a widnes player when he got caught!'"


He was definitely at Widnes when he got caught.

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Quote: The Jolly Ginger Giant "How did they set precedent with dave allen? I'm pretty sure that he was a widnes player when he got caught!'"


My bad, I thought that he was still with us...

The club now then must make a tough decision on how to proceed.

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "]


I cannot believe the criticism Hock is facing from many on here.


He did some coke.


It's not like he murdered anyone.


Bloody hell, the guy is a youngster and made a mistake. Haven't we all done that?

Yes we have, and yes he has... HE KNEW THE RULES... This is not about what you or i think. I have just got a speeding ticket, are you going to feel sorry for me? ...NO, might that be because i don't wear the cherry and white? Take off the cherry tinted spec's... the DW let everybody including himself down. Support him by all means, but away from the club. Help him with his problem, but the club MUST send out a strong message. Drugs wreck the lives of many people, and those around them.

Give him a break.'"


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Quote: XBrettKennyX "]


I cannot believe the criticism Hock is facing from many on here.


He did some coke.


It's not like he murdered anyone.


Bloody hell, the guy is a youngster and made a mistake. Haven't we all done that?


Give him a break.'"


Yes we have, and yes he has... HE KNEW THE RULES... This is not about what you or i think. I have just got a speeding ticket, are you going to feel sorry for me? ...NO, might that be because i don't wear the cherry and white? Take off the cherry tinted spec's... the DW let everybody including himself down. Support him by all means, but away from the club. Help him with his problem, but the club MUST send out a strong message. Drugs wreck the lives of many people, and those around them.

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im not going to beat the man down for making a mistake! ok he did some recreational drugs and now will pay the price but everyone deserves a second chance.

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I think a 2 year ban is a disgrace.

First Offence and the man loses his job!

When you think what other players have done (within my team) and only received a small ban (from the club)

The RFL need to change this!

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Quote: Wigan Peer "Yes we have, and yes he has... HE KNEW THE RULES... This is not about what you or i think. I have just got a speeding ticket, are you going to feel sorry for me? ...NO, might that be because i don't wear the cherry and white? Take off the cherry tinted spec's... the DW let everybody including himself down. Support him by all means, but away from the club. Help him with his problem, but the club MUST send out a strong message. Drugs wreck the lives of many people, and those around them.'"


Tell me another occupation where you would get a 2 year ban, if he was an accountant would he be banned from doing accounts for 2 years!

This 25yo kid took some coke,probably down to peer presure, repremand him,monitor him (test) for 2 years and if he does it again ban him

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Quote: hullkr-kev "I think a 2 year ban is a disgrace.

First Offence and the man loses his job!

When you think what other players have done (within my team) and only received a small ban (from the club)

The RFL need to change this!'"


If you compare it to what the appropiately named Cockayne did, then yeah, it is utter madness, but then again, Cocaine is the easy one for the RFL to deal with as it falls under world sport rules, the other is down to the law of the land, which is a totally seperate argument.

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