All very good points. I've only been watching RL for a relatively short time, but I was lucky enough to see some tremendous players like Faz, Rads, Dallas and Lam before they retired, and there really don't seem to be any players of that class around at the moment.

there are mate, just none at wigan

Wakefield, actually. But they're top 6 now, so respect!

In the early nineties when Wigan, St Helens, Leeds, Widnes and Castleford were prob the main teams the rest were pants. All the above clubs had great support, were houshold names and when they played each other you knew it was going to be a cracker. The same could be said until 4 years ago Bradford v St Helens would be mouthwatering, nowadays I couldn't care less. Its a shame.

Wigan had good Aussies and Kiwis playing for us like Kenny,Bell, Tuigamala, Botica, top quality british players like Skerrett, Gregory, Hanley and good young players brought through like Betts, Clarke, Dermott.

The reason the like of Betts, Clarke and Edwards developed into the players that they did was due to being surrounded by class players. Nowadays the squads are dilluted will mediocracy and there is a fine line between top draw players and crap players. E.g. Any player can play in any position really plus average players are our best players like Westwood, Gardner, Wilkin, O'Loughlin (Although it pains me to say he is average compared to the aussies, he is superb in defence)

If we are to kick on as a sport we need to have our superstar teams like Wigan, St Helens, Leeds etc and not drag us down because we will implode in time. What happens if Wigan, St Helens and Leeds suddenly turn crap? Celtic, Salford and Wakefield get good? Do you think they will attract the fans, produce quality players and be the benchmark of rugby league?

I think not. That is why teams which make the money should be allowed to spend it and not be artificially restrained because we want an even competition.

I think that Championship rugby is actually more attractive than SL. It is like RL used to be. Mainly due to the fact that is isn't quite a fast - there is more room for the backs to play.

Just my opinion.

decent point

Bitter.. much?

What about Sam Tomkins? Most exciting player in years, is he not? Certainly likes a good whine, the lad.

Super League and summer rugby has destroyed the game both at league and international level, it has grown more boring year on year, it is getting to the point that sometimes i can't be d with it, up until around 2000 i watched every game i could even taped the games that where on when was at matches, now only really bother with Wigan games and the playoffs/finals/CC.

Last few years I have not watched the NL due to it being boring and not as good as superleague, same with NRL but now I would prefer to watch NL or NRL.

The games aren't as of high quality, its now a joke. No forwards have any ball skill... they're just big.

The backs have no major skill, just some pace. Sometimes a combination of the two.

What I think is the major difference: Nobody has the WOW factor anymore. Nobody in SL with the cap has players that amaze the crowds. People even say Long is the best 7 in SL, get real? Lam ran rings around Long. Hell even Willie Peters did!

SL now is a joke, I'd rather go down to my local amateur club and see some quality matches.