False, Noble rested him, which Sam wasn't happy about.

Yes,
Because whether you want to believe it or not Piggy is at the moment a better all round hooker than McIlorum as those stats show.

I'm a very big fan of Mickey Mac (look back at my posts over the years) However I don't think we can play Riddell, McIlorum, Sam, Tommy and Smith in the same 17.

One has to be left out, and this time I would expect it to be Mickey Mac. Harsh, yes but look at those stats, particularly tackle busts and tackles missed.

Surely Noble's right when he says players should be picked on form. The top and bottom of it is McIlorum is playing better than Piggy at the moment so therefore he should be in the 17.

For me Piggy should go to the reserves for a few weeks and hopefully this will be the wake up call he needs

I rate Piggy actually and he is the better hooker but he's off form and Mcilorum is bang on it which evens the scales for me.

You can’t take a player out who’s on form imo

Agreed, maybe just one week though assess this performance and attitude then see how macca played then sort the team out for the cup game.

Have you compared KFC & PIggy?

KFC approx 20% more yards but from twice as many carries!

Piggy More tackles with only 1/3rd of the errors!

Less tackle busts but more clean breaks and less errors (Only a quarter of KFC's) & Penalties!

If you compare him against "One Trick" He doesn't come out too bad either!

More metres from less carries, Less tackles (Probably less game time) but same % of missed tackles.

More clean breaks but only half the penalties and a 3rd of the errors!

Of course he was speaking sense. The most succinct and too the point post yet exposing the nonsensical excuses used to justify Noble not playing him.



So if he reaches that magic number that will be it? No more games come what may regardless of how things pan out? If he look still looks completely comfortable at the end of the season as he does now and he improves the side as he does now, he should play.

We look worse without him in the side and as such he should play when fit and on form.



Remeber what happened with all those who were old enough because they were good enough? There have been planty and I am sure you don'r need me to list them for you. In any case Brown and Robinson are first team SL players so I am not sure what your point is.



Yes they did. Both aged 20 in 2003, the same ag as Sam T is now.

Look at their stats on the Leeds web site

Burrow

According to the above link Burrow played in 29 games in 2003 which is all 27 rounds plus the playoffs, at the same age as Sam.

As did rlMcQuirerl also aged 20 in 2003. 29 games, at the same age as Sam

Dave

ok mate well we will see at the end of the season when sam wont be able to get around the field because he will be goosed, i say this as i very reliable source whos actually gone through this situation, and if people keep on saying hes young he wont get tired come and live in the real world, his body isnt big enough to take the brutal hits and speed of super league YET

i didnt say he was happy did i

Lets see at the end of the season how many Sam plays. On the Burrow McGuire stats as I said previously Andrew Dunaman covered for both of them and certainly in Burrows case many if his appearances were from the subs bench.

Hopefully not some artificial limit on the number of games imposed by Noble.



He still featured every SL game Leeds played in 2003, 29 games aged 20. 13 starts plus 16 subs appearances.

McQuire started 19 and was on the bench for 10, playing in the same position as Sam.

If you are good enough you are old enough.

Dave

Longest thread in relation to the worst opening post ever.

If he was being " rested" then why play him in the reserve game???

Why drop an in form hooker? (O'loughlin aside) he was our best player on the field on Friday and is in an excellent vain of form. Why drop him?

If Noble is true to his word ( ) he will pick players on form and not on merit - am I right? Well if this is the case - Why drop Sam Tomkins who was the match winner the previous week for an out of form Riddell? And why would he now drop an in form McIlorum?

The stats you refer to are a bit silly really. Riddell has been the starting hooker for all but 2 games (IIRC) and has played five games more than McIlorum. If you freeze Riddell's stats and allow McIlorum to get to an even amount of games and then look at the stats it will tell a different story because it is evident from the Hull KR performance that at the moment Michael McIlorum is the more in form hooker and he should be played against Warrington.