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| Quote: Bill_Barlow "Recruitment has been poor IMO'"
And who is in charge of recruitment? Alot of the players you mention, dont seem like BN signings to me.
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| Quote: AJ "And who is in charge of recruitment? Alot of the players you mention, dont seem like BN signings to me.'"
The only signing ive been told BN didnt want was Riddell. We are crying out for a 6 and a big rough number 8 and a big spoon full of hard work. I understand why Noble said he expected Tomkins to get roughly 10 games this year, as cover for 7 if Tommy needed resting or he had to cover 9.
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It was all Pryce's fault.
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| Quote: Bill_Barlow "The only signing ive been told BN didnt want was Riddell. We are crying out for a 6 and a big rough number 8 and a big spoon full of hard work. I understand why Noble said he expected Tomkins to get roughly 10 games this year, as cover for 7 if Tommy needed resting or he had to cover 9.'"
BN wanted Greg Bird - Thus a 6, he wasn't able to get him for various reasons, that still shows he wanted a 6. Why didn't he get one.
Ryles and numerous other props moved in the off season, why didn't we go for one.
These are questions that need to be answered. But they won't be, if there is even the slightest chance that IL will look bad.
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| Quote: Batesy "In my opinion, we arn't far off being a good team at the minute. Yes, last night's performance was dire, but in my opinion, it wasn't the core of the team that caused the problems and lost us the game last night.
Pryce - Noble putting him in the team was a risk, and last night it didn't pay off. Anyone who watched the reserves agianst Huddersfield will know why Noble played him, Pryce looked a cut above and looked to me like he was ready for his first team chance.
For me, Pryce lost us the game last night. 4 balls dropped dead, a pass that was so forward it was closer to being a 40/20 than anything else and defense that was quite honestly laughable. Anyone remember him trundling around 10M behind Ainscough after tommys kick? (not sure when exactly, but it was in the second half) only for Ainscough to get beaten by the Cats winger because he didn't have his centre helping him and then Pryce fell over, tripping Ainscough up after spending 10 minutes getting there?
At the beggining of the second half Tommy produces a lovely kick to win us a scrum on their 10, ball finds its way to pryce, ball hits the floor, momentum gone. Had we scored on this set we would have been right back in the game, but instead we turned the ball over.
Fielden - Same old same old, miles off the form he produced when he wanted to go to the world cup, and a million miles of bratfud form. I thought he might have a good game last night, then he got levelled about 10 minutes in and that was the end of that. Our pack got dominated last night. Walters did his homework and without feka's big runs (Riles dealt with him easily) we had absolutly NOTHING going forwards. Prescott tried hard, but without the decent senior props around Prescott isn't going to lay enough of a platform for us on his own.
We dominated them early on, and it was on the back of Coley's and Fielden (before he got flattened) hard work that won us the 14-4 lead.
Then they got taken off and we lost it. Catalans got on top as soon as we let that ball bounce and go out.
I'm not sure I agree with the Noble out stuff either. I don't think it's the coaching that makes a senior player make that many mistakes in one night, and I think Fielden needs dropping, but I doubt it will happen to be honest, because I don't think we can replace him. Celtic is the ideal time to give Ben Davies a try, or maybe recall Mossop?
Bah, I've rambled a bit here, but the point I was trying to make was I don't think we are far off with this team, maybe with George back in the team we could have won that game.'"
In one-off games over the last couple of seasons we have proved we can compete, at least for a while.
BUT the team aren't coached well enough or properly conditioned to really shine even in one off matches and the lack of commitment and consistency so far this season are shocking. 3/10 is the winning ratio of a bad team.
This team, this club is a long way from being good. There is a massive problem at Wigan at the moment and a major clear out of coaching, playing and backroom staff is needed.
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| Quote: AJ "BN wanted Greg Bird - Thus a 6, he wasn't able to get him for various reasons, that still shows he wanted a 6. Why didn't he get one.
Ryles and numerous other props moved in the off season, why didn't we go for one.
These are questions that need to be answered. But they won't be, if there is even the slightest chance that IL will look bad.'"
Roberts was signed 12 months too soon and only signed to stop him going somewere else. If hes a world class international pivot player then fair enough but IMO to do this for a decent NRL winger is bad management from whoever sanctioned the signing. Maybe Noble did realise we needed a good 6 (he should of we all did) so why would IL go for a winger? It all makes no sense to me.
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| Quote: Bill_Barlow "Roberts was signed 12 months too soon and only signed to stop him going somewere else. If hes a world class international pivot player then fair enough but IMO to do this for a decent NRL winger is bad management from whoever sanctioned the signing.'"
Exactly, we already had wingers and fullbacks who could do the job that is currently being done, perhaps better.
This is why questions need answering - who sanctioned the signing?
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| Quote: Bill_Barlow "Talk of a new 7 to me is crazy. Tomkins is never a 6 hes a little general who will be an excellent 7 in time but at the moment hes not going to get a game their because TL is currently 1 of the better players in the squad.
We never replaced Barrett, a class 6 and having 3 7s will never work esp when Smith isnt worth a w#nk to us. Noble brought Smith in so the buck stops there with that 1.
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I agree with you on that, and I think to a certain extent we have never replaced Fletcher either. We don't seem to have a player who will put his hand up time nad time agian. The last time I saw that was with Phelps agianst saints, but he can't keep his place!
I think Barrett papered over a lot of cracks for us, he took some stick in his second year from me, but now he's gone I realise how much he did. He was always 3 plays ahead of us, and we never ended up in the situation we did last night, with Roberts stood still on the wing, ball in hand, not sure what to do at all.
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| Quote: Andy Greg "We were winning games last year with boring Rugby and the board was full of winging about it so this year we try something new and it is not coming off yet and there is all the sack Noble people on again.
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We won less than half our regular SL games last year - are you suggesting that's acceptable?
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "We won less than half our regular SL games last year - are you suggesting that's acceptable?'"
Is that what i said ?? i said we were winning games
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| Quote: AJ "BN wanted Greg Bird - Thus a 6, he wasn't able to get him for various reasons, that still shows he wanted a 6. Why didn't he get one.
Ryles and numerous other props moved in the off season, why didn't we go for one.
These are questions that need to be answered. But they won't be, if there is even the slightest chance that IL will look bad.'"
Exactly.
We were in the hunt for a 6 and we got........a winger and more recently a centre (which good though I think Gleeson will be for us, was not a priority position imo).
It's clear to anyone that IL is championing "English born players". He hardly ever stops banging on about it.
Well that's all very well and good, but quite frankly we need a prop and a 6, just as we did at the start of the year. Whether they are English, Australian or Swedish is irrelevant.
The fans can see that, how difficult is it for the Managment/Coach to see it?
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| Quote: Andy Greg "Is that what i said ?? i said we were winning games'"
You implied that people shouldn't be whinging because we were winning games playing "boring rugby" last season. As I pointed out, we won less than half our regular SL games last season AND played boring rugby.
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| Quote: Bill_Barlow "Talk of a new 7 to me is crazy. Tomkins is never a 6 hes a little general who will be an excellent 7 in time but at the moment hes not going to get a game their because TL is currently 1 of the better players in the squad.
We never replaced Barrett, a class 6 and having 3 7s will never work esp when Smith isnt worth a w#nk to us. Noble brought Smith in so the buck stops there with that 1.
NEXT, signed Roberts when everyone knows we needed a prop, Noble takes the blame for that one again.
Riddell, i think will be a good signing if we get someone with discipline in to coach, apparently all Piggy wants to do in training is act the mick. An IL signing not Nobles he wanted Randall so you cant blame Nobby for the signing.
Mathers, well its anyones guess why he was kept on, Lydon apparently said hes the worst full back hes seen in professional rugby.
Recruitment has been poor IMO, no balance to the signings, desperate for a forward but invested heavily in backs, Mathers, Smith, Phelps, Pryce, Roberts.'"
I got told something very interesting today off a very reliable source - regarding recruitment and it shed's new light on the situation at Wigan.
Not too sure if I should post it up on here but I'll gladly PM.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "I got told something very interesting today off a very reliable source - regarding recruitment and it shed's new light on the situation at Wigan.
Not too sure if I should post it up on here but I'll gladly PM.'"
Give us a clue of what you've heard
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "I got told something very interesting today off a very reliable source - regarding recruitment and it shed's new light on the situation at Wigan.
Not too sure if I should post it up on here but I'll gladly PM.'"
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