Hansen may run strong lines but what is his tackle bust rate? offload rate? Has he ever drawn in a man then pasted the ball along? Ever looked like doing something in attack without someone else putting him through the gap? Far and few between.

He may try hard, but he simply isn't good enough, a quiet lad who tries hard, sorry but this isn't enough. Raise the bar at Wigan, he's not good enough.

I respect people's opinions and I know he's liked by some, but for me he's not good enough.

After Ferrell/Mossop/Flanny has a good game and plays better you'll agree.

For me Hansen (his type of player) is one of the issues with Wigan. Someone who is a 'try hard' but not good enough. Lets build a team of winners.

I agree with you. Might sound harsh as he's clearly a hard worker but people need to keep asking the question - does this player belong in a potential title winning team? I don't know if Hansen does.

Exactly Mad dog.

Let's build a winning team. Not a team of 'try hards', worse thing is he's keeping out talent that deserves a place.

Build a team of winners

NEW FB
Richards Gleeson Carmont Ainscough
Tomkins NEW 7
NEW 8 Tommy NEW 10
Farrell Lockers
Tomkins
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Hock Feka Riddell Prescott
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Give Roberts/Pryce/O Carroll time, but so far I don't see a winner.

You can add a new coach to that list if we wana win anything

I can't see a title challenging team being formed for at least 2 seasons yet though

If we got it right for next season we could do but I can't see it happening

However this gives the youngsters a chance to stake their claim before players are brought in which is a good thing

Whether we like it or not patience is going to be needed

Has anyone ever heard the saying "Defense wins games"? Hansen is currently in joint second place for try scoring 2nd rows (Joint 3rd in the team) and offers a huge defensive input to the team. Yet he offers nothing in attack and just because he is defensively brilliant and not doing spectacular things in attack he should be dropped?

I'm glad there's a lot of posters on this site not running the team.

I don't want to sound as though I'm bagging Hansen but I really do see it as an attitude thing. In my opinion, I don't think he is fully applying himself nor do I think he currently has the ambition to stand out from the rest and have something unique about him.

And the reasons for the above, again in my opinion, is because since the arrival of Feka and Leuluai he seems to be close friends and enjoy the company of a couple of fellow kiwis/islanders and is content to hold on to a first team place rather than standing out, being different and have that bit of unique style about him. At the end of the day, he was raised in Swinton and played for Folly Lane from being 8 or 9 maybe younger and he came through all the ranks at Wigan, yet since the arrival of fellow, young islanders and the inclusion of the Samoa squad he seems to have distanced himself from his roots & many team mates and you sometimes forget that he came through those ranks with Wigan.

I think he's got caught up with the Islander Rugby League lifestyle and enjoys that more than his Rugby League. A drop down into the reserves away from his ''homies'' and replace them with the type of lads he actually grew up playing along side will do him a world of good and could get rid of abit of arrogance and instead replace it with more ambition and determination.

A pretty controversial and personal post but it's my opinion.

Don't be daft. A few good things doesn't make him immune from more than deserved criticism.

Mossop debuted in one of the Cup thrashings last year, scored a try too I think. Has he played a league game yet?

You are not wrong there, I could even argue it's racist with those Islanders and their island ways.

Dont we live on an island ???

He got a try and did really well against Pia
Got about 30 mins against Quins at home when we won 38-20 IIRC
Played in our drubbing by Leeds where he got a wee bit exposed as well

Indeed. Is this just you assuming or has something else led you to believe this?

Not how clue how you came to that conclusion. But what I meant is that most Islanders have proved theirselves in the NRL or NZ and have earned theirselves good, full time contracts in the UK and they aren't usually at risk of being dropped. I sometimes think Hansen likes act as though he has that type of background opposed to being a locally raised lad, playing Rugby League at Folly Lane and coming through the ranks at Wigan.

Tries
Hansen - 2
Hock - 3 1st
Tomkins - 2
Lockers - 0 4th

Try Assists
Hansen - 1
Hock - 1
Tomkins - 1
Lockers - 2 1st

Total Meters
Hansen - 425 4th
Hock - 835 1st
Tomkins - 577 3rd
Lockers - 624 2nd

Meters per Carry
Hansen - 7.20 3rd
Hock - 7.66 1st
Tomkins - 7.40 2nd
Lockers - 6.86 4th

Tackles
Hansen - 204 2nd
Hock - 136 4th
Tomkins - 193 3rd
Lockers - 298 1st

Offloads/Tackle Busts
Hansen - 3/7 4th
Hock - 23/33 1st
Tomkins - 8/7 3rd
Lockers - 10/12 2nd

Errors/Missed Tackles/Penalties
Hansen - 6/13/4 2nd
Hock - 12/23/2 4th
Tomkins - 5/11/3 1st
Lockers - 9/14/10 3rd

Hock - 1+2+1+1+4+1+4 1st
Tomkins - 2+2+3+2+3+3+1 2nd
Lockers - 4+1+2+4+1+2+3 3rd
Hansen - 2+2+4+3+2+4+2 4th

Hansen dropped ...wow I am bored

A good post Alex with plenty insight there.
The stats post by Bovrick is excellent and the case for dropping him is there.
My version is far more simple, last Friday we had only one prop who bust a tackle that I saw, Feka. We had only two forwards who bust a tackle, Hock plus Feka.
This is why our pack is coming off second best, we are simply not gaining the ground by busting the opposition forwards. We do not have competition for props as we only now have four with O'C injured.
We do have competition for places is the back row so start there.
Hansen to be replaced by one of the lads mentioned, perhaps two by standing Gaz Hock down. We are going to need Gaz big time v Saints & Cats.
Our real need are two props but unless we have signings we have to go with what we've got. Our back row could do with livening up so bring in Farrell, Mossop or Flanagan.