The coaches play the best team they can from the squad. They brought in players like Fielden.

They're putting out the best team possible and it's not performing and we (some fans) overrate them.

Only so much a coach can do, they should know the basics by now..

BLOODY HELL.....someone else in wigan is actually switched on about hocks shortcomings!! exactly why hock is NOT a world class player

It is amazing how one week Gareth Hock is a superstar the next minute he is overrated. The Leeds game Gareth Hock threw one daft ball in a moment of madness but he was still one of our best players and was a marked man throughout the game. He tries things and they sometimes come off for you and he is world class and sometimes they don't and he lacks composure. Most of the time our players aren't anticipating an offload and so it looks daft when he does offload.

Hock is playing really well and for us to play the expansive opportunistic game we crave, we need players to show some flair and individuality. If we are not prepared for the odd knock on or balls up, we should settle for the single minded approach that bored us so much round 1, 2 and 3. We should not call him for one moment of madness we should realise that so far this season I believe he has been quite composed for us. Yes with such an expansive player with so much flair about them he will make mistakes and rash judgements but unless we wish to take a retained, static approach to the game then we should accept that he will make mistakes but will create more tries and opportunities to score than he will throw a daft pass.

There was a defining moment in the Bradford game, a 30sec period which sums up his whole career.

He made a great break, ran right through the team showing a great step, good speed and strength-excellent, but then what happens next? he misses the pass and makes a mess of it.

When he has the composure to make the pass he'll be world class.

Please see the symbolism in this..

With composure and a couple of (extra) brain cells Hock would be the complete back rower and one of if not the best in the world

Thats one moment in a game where he was awesome. He made one mistake and he gets called for it, yet he sure as hell made up for it with what he did in the rest of the game and also against Harlequins.

Please see the symbolism in what I posted.

But he then rectified his mistake and scored in the next opportunity Wigan had.

In the interview after the match he accepts he was a bit greedy and should have passed. A mistake only becomes a mistake when you fail to learn from it.

Whether he is world class or not he is one of our best players & is one of the few with any creativity and flair about them.

Totallly agreed, but were is he going to find them cells from?

I read what you posted and it's poop. Critisism at most of the team, many of who play at the international level and yet, are in your eyes average at best. I'm not sure how a player would get to prove themselves at a higher level than international. These are the same players that managed to get to the grand final semi last year.

Hock's non-try is symbolic of a player going for glory when playing against a well beaten team. I would suspect that if the game was close Hock would have made the pass rather than going for a long range try of his own.

The point is about overrating.

Hock isn't world class, he makes too many mistakes, however, he is our best backrower..

Correct!
If Gareth Hock is our Biggest problem we must have a team of World Beaters!

Was unlucky with a couple of Ball steals 1st half and the Pass from Tommy wasn't a great one.
2nd half the Gaz Hock of 12 months ago would have been sent off but he Kept his aggression in control (Mostly) and Yes did give 2 silly balls away!
But I'd rather he did that than take another dead drive in without attempting something when were 20 points down at the time!

His aggression alone would put in my team every week as without him we are seriously lacking in that department and IMHO would be 1 of the first 3 names on my team sheet every week.

PS

After watching the game back on TV I liked Carney's comments post game, I agree, there are enough good signs at Wigan to make me think that no-one should write us off just yet.

When has he made too many mistakes?

And also Hock isn't overrated.