Is it just the refs fault or should the touch judges stand up and be counted.
What part do they actually play apart from stating the obvious ie where a ball as left the field and if its gone thru the sticks for a converstion oh and not forgeting having a little trip onto the field of play when theres a little punch up.

Yes, the ref missed Hock having the ball stripped out, but the same thing happened to Peacock later in the game. Peacock got the benefit of the doubt for his try but the game was over before that. I don't really have any complaints about our disallowed tries - Ainscough looked offside from the kick and lockers just stopped right in front of the Leeds player - if he had kept on running like dummy runners are supposed to then it wouldn't have been an obstruction. The ref wasn't great, but then again, neither were we...

Half of us Saints fans said how bad this guy was when we lost to Hull Kr, and many on here said it was just sour grapes because we had lost. Maybe some will agree now? The guy is too slow for Super league standard and shouldn't be allowed to ref.

The man isn't up to the standard.

Noble simpily needs to say that, an experience tells us we won't see him again this year.

The video ref was no better.

Up until tonight I always rated Ian Smith as a pretty decent ref, not sure if it was an off night or what but he had a shocker.

That said bad calls and all nobody can have any complaints about the overall result.

I sent a text to a Stains fan during the game and he said exactly that, Smith screwed you against Hull KR. Some very inconsistant refereeing tonight. It's bad enough losing a game - and Wigan didn't deserve to win tonight - but when the ref rubs your nose in it, it just takes the pi$$.

Very frustrating

refs seem to assume Hock as lost the ball every time, he never seems to get the BOTD, penalty against Wigan every time. Opposition players know this and play for it

Ah Well!!! we can try to get Ashley Klein back to our shores,,,If his Missus wants to come back over here!!!! Which i very much doubt..

I've just watched the first half and will watch the second tomorrow.

Leeds 1st try forward pass from Sinfield.
Leeds third try forward pas from Kirke, watch where he is tackled and watch where the ball bonces before it get's to Donald.

When things are going for you you get these decisions.

Hock loss of the ball once yes, but the other two were ball steals.
All marginal decisions, but ones that went against Wigan.

On another day they will go for us.

No lack of effort tonight. Leeds played well and took their chances, but we certainly didn't get any luck whatsoever.

As a Wakey fan please explain how you can ever be an outsider?

You lot are the most biased AGAINST Leeds ever

That accolade belongs to the Cas fans they really do hate loiners!

It was one of those nights.

The bounce of the ball, the 50:50 decisions. Wigan simply couldn't get hold of the ball.


Not to worry, the result means nothing. This SL is a cup competition that starts in July/Aug.

In your case it WAS sour grapes, because you lost by one point to a team who you really should have beaten.

We lost convincingly, to a good side. Our comments on the ref are an aside to that.

Thank you. It wasn't just me who saw them, then.

Lines on the pitch would indicate otherwise regarding the Sinfield pass, and if you watched the game I'm sure you saw clearly that Kirke passed the ball backwards and it was knocked forward by the Wigan player tackling him. You did see that? Even Stevo saw it and commented on it and he's old and senile.

Smith let some borderline things go from both sides and kept the game moving. He went to the video ref when he needed to and got the major decisions right. I thought he had a fine game. To comapre him to the Australian baffoon who reffed the WCC is rediculous.