While we could certainly use a new crumping prop, it isn't just about that. There are many areas of our general play that are badly lacking; it's not just in the forwards. And Tim Smith's half-assed tackling technique has nothing to do with him playing behind a beaten pack. Besides, bringing a prop in while we already have 5, will only mean that we lose one of the kids, and that's something we don't want to do. Likewise, spending money on the accelerate squad was a good idea IMO. If we hadn't done that, we'd already have lost Tomkins and Thornley to Union, to name two.

I desperately want Noble to get it right, but he's had plenty time now to make his mark on this team. And we're still playing very poorly indeed. It'll be interesting to see his selections for this weekend. If the backpage story in today's WEP is anything to go by - and the absence of players like Mathers and Bailey is genuinely being seen as a reason for us losing to Cas - I'll despair. Neither of those two offers anything like enough to get us out of this rut. We now have a much bigger squad than we've had in ages; Noble needs to be adventurous enough to make use of it and start dropping those first-teamers who don't share our vision of what Wigan should be.

IL is obviously not going to sack Noble this week, i think he will give Noble a last chance- the quins game. I would really like Noble to stay and suceed, although at the moment it looks very unlikely. IMO i think Noble IS the man for the job.

This year we have started the season with a new halfback combination and also a new hooker in Riddell. People underestimate the importance of having a settled partnership in these key positions. Piggy needs to work on his fitness levels and show the same determination Feka showed at the back end of last year. Give it time!

I like many want to see Noble be successful with us but he has had the time and just hasn't been able to bring the players in to suit his tactics (ie-a huge pack)

I would love Edwards to come with Farrell as Assisstant (yes he has no coaching experience but he would gain it off Edwards and would certainly motivate the players and make sure they wore the jersey with pride)

Although this doesn't look likely I would like either Wane, Hanley or Lam to have a shot at the job

what about giving ian millward another go my mate stu says he was the best coach wigan ever had
would it not be easier to keep noble and play one of our academy teams for a week or two just to show the 'stars' how you tackle and catch the ball?
my mate stu says we should do that and the first team should stripped to the waist and whipped

We are in a position so similar to that of the 70's/early 80's.
We make good players become ordinary at best.
We make successful coaches unsuccessful.
Back then it took relegation and a new dynamic chairman (yes Mo was dynamic in those days) and new board (slimmed down from more than a dozen; who picked the team,by the way!) for the root and branch reform necessary.
I am not slagging off Mr Lenagan as he has not been in post long, but the signs are not good; a lacklustre feel about everything being just one factor.
Yes there is a salary cap now, but Mo got us Brett Kenny and John Ferguson, just for starters. The current crew got us Smith and Riddel.
I've got a horrible feeling that things could get worse before they get better.
We will get back to winning ways, but I feel it will take a big catalyst to set things going.

HOOFER
the players that have arrived at wigan since IL took over where bought/signed at Nobby's request.

yes Mo brought you great players in the past but those great players came at a massive cost to wigan and that is the reason our club was near bankrupt' plus there was no salary cap then.

someone form the club once told me Mo built a castle for us but the foundations where on sand.

its going to take a long time for our club to recover from the whelan years and lets not get misty eyed about mo.....how many times where we doing great only for uncle mo to breach the salary cap and lose us points.

at least IL is staying within the salary cap