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| Quote: Saz "As much as I rate Tomkins and being a believer in "if you're good enough, you're old enough", I just hope that he's not overwhelmed by the amount of expectation that people are placing on him. The way that some fans go on about him, anyone would think he's the second coming.
No-one can deny that he had excellent games previously but would shoving him hastily into the first team when expectations are high and moral is low going to do him any good with his confidence? One man does not make a team and i'd hate him to lose confidence should the team not pick up with him part of it.'"
That for me is now the problem.The longer noble leaves it, the higher the pressure for sam and the more likely the hype is gunna fall flat on its face. Sam is a fantastic talent and doesnt deserve this. Id leave if I were him
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[quote="kimmo":19twb50c]your 6 7 and 9 this year will kill you off you will not make the play offs ,keep this post untill the end of the year and then we will come back to it and the best man wins ,deal or no deal .[/quote:19twb50c]: |
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| Tim Smith was at fault for 4 out of the 5 tries Cas scored tonight. Theres no denying that.
One question though if you have a half back who cannot defend to save his life whats he doing inside the centre?
He should have been defending out on the wing any amateur coach could tell you that.
Im not going to go back on my word I think Tim Smith can be a massive player for us if he is utlised rightly in attack and they manage to fit him into the defensive line without any mistakes.
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| Quote: - Neil - "
One question though if you have a half back who cannot defend to save his life whats he doing inside the centre?
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He was doing it last week at Hull as well. Drifting out wide (hiding in my view) on defense. No clue if thats a tactical switch or what because I'm not that positionally minded but it don't matter if it's out wide or in the middle - he's being caught out.
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[quote="kimmo":19twb50c]your 6 7 and 9 this year will kill you off you will not make the play offs ,keep this post untill the end of the year and then we will come back to it and the best man wins ,deal or no deal .[/quote:19twb50c]: |
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| Quote: Bilko "He was doing it last week at Hull as well. Drifting out wide (hiding in my view) on defense. No clue if thats a tactical switch or what because I'm not that positionally minded but it don't matter if it's out wide or in the middle - he's being caught out.'"
Aye.
Personally I am not bothered if he cannot defend - most half backs are sh*t defensively. Briers, Long, Lockyer the list is endless but its the coach's job to hide the half back or the weaker defensive player in the defensive line.
We the fans have learnt just how bad Smiths defence is tonight but surely Noble who spends more than a few hours every day should have worked this out months ago. Smith should have been defending out on the wing tonight. Yet more poor tactics from Noble.
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| Quote: Chorley Warrior "Time has come to give the young man a run out, he can't be any worse than Smith was tonight!
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Agreed. Smith can't defend to save his life. When defending out wide in both games at the JJB he has been directly responsible for opposition scores due to an inability to tackle. The opposition just run at him and he can't cope.
That one tonight was embarrassing for any player.
People have said Tomkins is too small but I bet he has a better tackling technique than Smith.
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| Quote: Meyt N Prater Pie "That for me is now the problem.The longer noble leaves it, the higher the pressure for sam and the more likely the hype is gunna fall flat on its face. Sam is a fantastic talent and doesnt deserve this. Id leave if I were him'"
Totally agree. People are worreid about the pressure he faces, but the longer they leave it, the more the anticipation grows. I think he should have a run out next week in London... an away game, with not a huge crowd, see how he copes.
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| Quote: Saz "As much as I rate Tomkins and being a believer in "if you're good enough, you're old enough", I just hope that he's not overwhelmed by the amount of expectation that people are placing on him. The way that some fans go on about him, anyone would think he's the second coming.'"
Ainscough wasn't.
Quote: Saz "No-one can deny that he had excellent games previously but would shoving him hastily into the first team when expectations are high and moral is low going to do him any good with his confidence? One man does not make a team and i'd hate him to lose confidence should the team not pick up with him part of it.'"
I have to say I am tired of reading posts like this about Tomkins. He needs to play sooner rather than later.
No one is daft enough to think he is the new messiah but Smith was poor enough tonight to be dropped (as was Coley v Wakefield).
We have a squad, Tomkins is 20 and when a player is as poor as Smith was not to let the reserve have a go is stupid.
Dave
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3064.gif saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in
scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif |
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| I wouldn't drop Smith all together, he might be a weak link in defence but he can come up with some very smart plays in attack. Personally I'd have Sam at 6 with Smith at 7, Piggy at 9 with Leuluai as our other hooker. I know that means McIlorum would be dropped but we've got to think whats best for our attacking options as McIlorum IMO doesn't offer much and has a tendency give away soft penalties in positions where we can't afford to let teams get piggy backed up the field.
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| It's at games like tonight when all the Phil Bailey knockers should hide. He was missed beyond belief tonight.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "It's at games like tonight when all the Phil Bailey knockers should hide. He was missed beyond belief tonight.'"
Yep. Needs to be brought straight back in at centre.
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| If Tomkins is half as good as I'm lead to believe he is surely it's time to show some faith in him. McGuire and Burrow were both playingfirst team when they were 18. That Ainscough also looks a real prospect, how the hell is Phelps before him in the pecking order?
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3064.gif saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in
scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif |
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| Quote: AJ "Yep. Needs to be brought straight back in at centre.'"
We could have Hock missing next week so depends on his injury, could mean Bailey going back in the 2nd row but otherwise I'd agree.
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| Tommy did nothing tonight other than score the try. Smith was the only player trying to organse the wigan team. Next week has got to see Tommy dropped from half back to hooker.
I even thought mcillorium was better than riddell tonight.
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| Smith's defense is the weak link. It's shocking.
He took up the centre's position in defence with Goulding moving inside, they rinsed us down that side tonight.
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