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| Quote: jonh "If IL wants to hire him in some capacity though there is not much Noble can say, there is no way he can come in as the senior coach, but possibly as a player performance manager which most clubs now have but i am not sure if we do.
Its hard to say what IL has in mind really as Noble is into the last year of his contract maybe IL is looking longer term beyond the Noble era. IL must certainly have started thinking about the coaching position next year. I am sure if he is sacked (which will not happen in my opinion) he will be due compensation, but if he choses to walk away that is another matter.
As i said on the other thread IF he comes it will be very interesting to see in what capacity and Nobles reaction to it. I agree with Alex though to be fair, i would be suprised if the move did happen, as even if he leaves Sarries there must be other clubs in Union that would covet his signature and be able to offer more financially to recruit him.'"
Your last point is the more valid IMO. If we can't attract RU players how can we attract coaches? The gulf between the 2 sports is widening daily, with Sky showing up to 8 live games a week. There is simply no way we can compete, I'm afraid.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "Your last point is the more valid IMO. If we can't attract RU players how can we attract coaches? The gulf between the 2 sports is widening daily, with Sky showing up to 8 live games a week. There is simply no way we can compete, I'm afraid.'"
The only thing that may be of interest to him is that it for his own personal development.
The bloke will not be short of a bob or 2 in fact he is probably financially very comfortable and could retire tomorrow, he does seem to have an interest in League and as has been mentioned on some of the articles is a keen student of the game, if his motivation is purely financial i would doubt we could compete, or would want to given he has no experience of League, but if he is looking at the possibility for intrinsic reasons then there could be a chance.
Its all speculation though and paper talk, i personally would like to see it happen in a Player Performance Management roll, but i just cannot see it.
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| Don't all Superleague Clubs HAVE to have a player performance manager in place?
I'm sure I've seen in mentioned before.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Don't all Superleague Clubs HAVE to have a player performance manager in place?
I'm sure I've seen in mentioned before.'"
Yes they do which is why i thought we may be being linked with him, as i am not aware anyone has that position at Wigan.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "Your last point is the more valid IMO. If we can't attract RU players how can we attract coaches? The gulf between the 2 sports is widening daily, with Sky showing up to 8 live games a week. There is simply no way we can compete, I'm afraid.'"
I take it that you mean 8 games including matches played in the Southern Hemesphere as well.
Union has a problem coming. Over the last decade most clubs have been proped up by the so called sugar daddies. First of these clubs was the Newcastle Falcons which was ran by the former Newcaastle Fotball club owner. Now its becoming a very expensive game to run and its rumored they can not keep Johny Wilkinson when his contract expires. Bristol is another feeling the crunch. Though teams like Leicster, London Irish do flourish well. Over half the union clubs are now facing a financial problem. The Welsh WRU were forced over 6-7 years ago to go to regional rugby of the clubs would have gone bust.
Almost half the union are clubs are facing a similar dilema in England. A good number of clubs have poor standard stadia compared to what most SL clubs will have and football stadiums in the country.
Re: Eddie Jones there is no chance of him going to another union club in England as that would mean a coach getting sacked for him to get a job in the first place. Apart from Wasps no other side at the bottom of the table would be able to afford his wage demand. Id be surprised if he took the Bristol job given that they are odds on to go down. Newcastle are broke and Worcster has no chance of achieving anything in the next few years. That only leaves Wasps as the only place he could go and that means Ian Mcgechan and Edwards getting sacked, and i cant see that happening.
Eddie Jones is the best union coach over the last decade or so if he does come it will benefit the club in getting it professionally set up. But it cant be at the expense of Nobles authority.
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| Quote: tank123 "I take it that you mean 8 games including matches played in the Southern Hemesphere as well.
Union has a problem coming. Over the last decade most clubs have been proped up by the so called sugar daddies. First of these clubs was the Newcastle Falcons which was ran by the former Newcaastle Fotball club owner. Now its becoming a very expensive game to run and its rumored they can not keep Johny Wilkinson when his contract expires. Bristol is another feeling the crunch. Though teams like Leicster, London Irish do flourish well. Over half the union clubs are now facing a financial problem. The Welsh WRU were forced over 6-7 years ago to go to regional rugby of the clubs would have gone bust.
Almost half the union are clubs are facing a similar dilema in England. A good number of clubs have poor standard stadia compared to what most SL clubs will have and football stadiums in the country.
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Good post, and a good point regarding the televised games as League runs up 5 games a week if you include Setanta.
I think he may have options in Union world wide, given his reputation, which is why i still doubt it will happen although i agree with you i think it would be a very good addition to the clubs set up.
I think a few coaches are now setting themselves up as "rugby" coahes rather than League or Union coaches, the likes of Edwards, Jones, Hanley, Kelly to name a few, i feel we may well see this become more and more of a trend over the years.
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| Quote: jonh "Good post, and a good point regarding the televised games as League runs up 5 games a week if you include Setanta.
I think he may have options in Union world wide, given his reputation, which is why i still doubt it will happen although i agree with you i think it would be a very good addition to the clubs set up.
I think a few coaches are now setting themselves up as "rugby" coahes rather than League or Union coaches, the likes of Edwards, Jones, Hanley, Kelly to name a few, i feel we may well see this become more and more of a trend over the years.'"
A job in France is a real option given how poor they did in the Heineken cup
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| Quote: tank123 "A job in France is a real option given how poor they did in the Heineken cup'"
France would be a major lure and financially they would have the clout, although it seems to me they are moving somewhat away from the foreign invasion they have run with in the past few years and the emphasis has changed somewhat to a more French based player and coach set up, or at least the shft seems to be starting and there is a bit of a backlash on the foreigners involved in the game over there, still for a proven coach like Jones i am not sure this would be too much of an issue to any prospective employers in France.
IF it did happen and he did come to Wigan i would expect there to be a bit of a media frenzy about it especially in Union circles/press which would be nice to see.
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| I assume the usual suspects have already contacted the club about this Jones rumour like they did about the playing games at LSV one. I mean what's more important:
1. The coaching set-up with its direct effect on the players and the performance of the team throughout the season.
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2. Playing two games at Leigh.
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| Re the number of games I was referring to Heinken cup weekends. They have regularly shown 1 Thursday, 1 Friday, a choice of 2 via the red button Saturday at 1 pm, then games at 3, 5, 7 pm then 2 live games Sunday. Incl the red button game (though you can't watch both) they show 9 live games. If you want to include Setanta they also show French and Irish league games. We do not compete unfortunately.
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| I hope you guys are right, and that this has been conducted above board and that Noble is being consulted. I just worry, because IL has several times announced things or allowed rumours to float that have destabalised players and/or the team (I am thinking of Higham here, etc). To me things are shaping nicely, the last thing we need is a lack of focus by the team again. I am not questioning IL's right to conduct business behind the scenes, but I may be questioning his ability to do this in a non-disruptive manner. Just how it appears to me.
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| Quote: Tacitus "I hope you guys are right, and that this has been conducted above board and that Noble is being consulted. I just worry, because IL has several times announced things or allowed rumours to float that have destabalised players and/or the team (I am thinking of Higham here, etc). To me things are shaping nicely, the last thing we need is a lack of focus by the team again. I am not questioning IL's right to conduct business behind the scenes, but I may be questioning his ability to do this in a non-disruptive manner. Just how it appears to me.'"
As I mentioned before. This story allegedly first broke on Christmas Eve. Yet Noble seemed fine to me at the Fans Forum (more so even than usual), and was gossiping quite happily with IL after our last friendly.
This doesn't necessarily mean he isn't peeved. But for a guy who on a number of occasions has supposedly made enquiries about positions at other clubs, and went public in Australia last autumn about problems he had with the chairman, why would he keep quiet now?
I'm hoping this indicates that any approach made was done after IL and BN discussed it. But of course I don't know that for sure.
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| Noble is in a good mood because he has resolved some personal issues
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| Whether Noble stays or goes when his contract expires Jones could not come in as first team coach. He's no experience in League and would be laughed out of the dressing room.
If he is to be Wigan bound then the "player performance director" succeeding Joe Lydon seems the most obvious job.
Also the PPD title would seem to be a euphemism for "Union Scout".
Really got my doubts about this one but if it takes place then the club will be broadening its scouting beyond Rugby League territory.
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| Just to add why do supporters think Noble and Lennagan would not appear comfortable in public?
Both have egos that they like to be stroked. They surround themselves with 'nice friendly people' who will stroke their egos. They both have a very public persona and a private one.
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