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| Quote: cadoo "It really irritates me this nonsense that some people have made up - we should sign Andy Coley and Phil Bailey for 'stability' or 'continuity'.
We don't need stability we need improvement! Teams like Saints and Leeds at the top can fall into the category of keeping players for stability and continuity but not us. We've been average all season and are AGAIN miles away from the top two. The pack has been identified by every sod on this forum as an area we need to improve on. So I fail to see how just re-signing these players like Coley and Bailey will improve the squad at all. If we want some stability at being average then by all means sign away but if we want to improve the squad and challenge the top two we are going to have to either promote players from within of better quality or spend and make some signings.
his pap from IL that top quality players are not available at the right price just makes him look a fool. I would love for him to elaborate and tell me what the right price is. Your not going to get international stars for Richie Mathers, Karl Pryce, Cameron Phelps wages! I don't even think we need international stars from the NRL. The super league is at such a low standard the fringe players would be good enough. Carl Webb would be a quality replacement for Andy Coley. He would be a vast improvement. No he wouldn't be the enforcer required but it would be a start. We can wait to Fielden comes off contract, more money to spend and look again.
We need a replacement for Gareth Hock and Phil Bailey. Had that incident with Gareth Hock not happened we could have promoted from within to replace Phil Bailey. We can still do this but not for Gareth Hock. We have lost a lot of go forward and creativity with Gareth Hock. We need a replacement. Frank Puletua and David Kidwell are exactly the type of (off contract) players that could replace him. Both are in the Tony Puletua mould that we really need.'"
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| whoops making a mess of this replying business!!!
I think your going to be very disappointed if you believe that bringing in two expensive players is going to improve the team that much to put us in the top 2 next year.
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| Quote: Father Ted "There are players out the who are OOC.
Karmichael Hunt and Steve Price. It would cost the best part of £500-600k to bring them over. '"
No it wouldn't because no club would pay that. If they want to come over they would have to accept a lower wage than that. They would still be a clubs top earners but then a clubs best players tend to be!
Of course they may not want to come with the weak pound meaning UK wages of around £200K (not unreasonable for a clubs star player) might not be so attractive any more.
Quote: Father Ted "That's two players costing a third of the salary cap and the other two thirds going on 22 players.
So you have to settle for something less and that's what Saints, Wire and Leeds are doing.
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Both Leeds and Saints have star players such a Peacock for Leeds and he won't be on peanuts. Perhaps they don't need a star overseas player given the standard of player they already have. We do IMO.
Quote: Father Ted "We have to get there yet!
We are all just so fed up with the uncertainty.
Uncertainty over the coach, same with signings or the lack of them.'"
Quite right.
Dave
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| Quote: clifford "whoops making a mess of this replying business!!!
I think your going to be very disappointed if you believe that bringing in two expensive players is going to improve the team that much to put us in the top 2 next year.'"
They would improve the team far more than re-signing Andy Coley or Phil Bailey and would be more expensive because they are better players. But with the number of players leaving Wigan this season we should be able to sign them.
Frank and Tony Puletua are brothers and so you would think that they would command a similar wage. Both at a similar age and play the same positions. So how come Saints can do it and we can't?
Your not going to get quality players for the wages of Andy Coley.
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| Quote: clifford "whoops making a mess of this replying business!!!
I think your going to be very disappointed if you believe that bringing in two expensive players is going to improve the team that much to put us in the top 2 next year.'"
It should get us in the top 4 and that is where you need to be given the new play off format. The third placed team is Hudds who are not that great so IMO we would not need to be that great either to get there.
They are 6 points in front of us and we have 6 games we lost this year we should, if we had played to our current potential never mind to a better standard we may attain with the addition of two players, have won. Would the addition of a couple of players have got us 3 out of those 6 victories needs to put us on a par with Hudds?
On paper IMO yes but we know how unreliable "paper" form can be and that is down to the Noble factor IMO so to realise this top 4 potential we need a couple of class players AND a new coach.
Chances of getting all three under IL seem remote!
Dave
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| Quote: cadoo "They would improve the team far more than re-signing Andy Coley or Phil Bailey and would be more expensive because they are better players. But with the number of players leaving Wigan this season we should be able to sign them.
Frank and Tony Puletua are brothers and so you would think that they would command a similar wage. Both at a similar age and play the same positions. So how come Saints can do it and we can't?
Your not going to get quality players for the wages of Andy Coley.'"
Fielden was supposed to improve the team and hence was paid a big wage do we want to make the same mistakes...
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| rlhttps://www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Lenagan-after-the-best.5460025.jprl
I agree with what he says, what about yourselves?
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| Quote: LovesToSpooge "rlhttps://www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Lenagan-after-the-best.5460025.jprl
I agree with what he says, what about yourselves?'"
Um that's what everyone is talking about? Check the previous page.
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| Quote: RB "Um that's what everyone is talking about? Check the previous page.'"
Oh, feel like a bit of a dickh*ad now. My mistake.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I'd re-sign Coley but not Bailey tbh.
Coley can cover back row and we need some size to our pack. After that i'd want to be bring in a world class prop and a halfback in that order.'"
I agree, and dont let anyone be fooled by Bailey's recent form, he's been $hite for the whole of his contract, not worth the wonga, and lo and behold when renewal time comes around, starts to play well, called 'Orr syndrome' I think. Is anyone saying I told you so, we should not have let him go about Orr, cos there were loads of you at the time saying it was the end of the world, letting him go?????
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| Quote: clifford "Fielden was supposed to improve the team and hence was paid a big wage
Fielden did his job. He lifted the teams morale and led us to survival. Since then he has never recaptured that form. Only in patches.
But does this mean we should never pay top money for the best players? Of course not. What about Trent Barrett?
I still don't think we have to sign the best players just players that will improve the squad. The players I have mentioned will do this.
How can you not see that?
Can I have this in writing because I think it is what your trying to say. Andy Coley and Phil Bailey would do a better job for Wigan than Carl Webb and Frank Puletua. Is that what you are saying?
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| Quote: nikos "I agree, and dont let anyone be fooled by Bailey's recent form, he's been $hite for the whole of his contract, not worth the wonga, and lo and behold when renewal time comes around, starts to play well, called 'Orr syndrome' I think. Is anyone saying I told you so, we should not have let him go about Orr, cos there were loads of you at the time saying it was the end of the world, letting him go?????'"
Totally agree! never a truer word said mate. If there is a clear example of somone playing for a contract its Bailey. Re sign Coley , get rid of Bailey.
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| Quote: cadoo "Fielden did his job. He lifted the teams morale and led us to survival. Since then he has never recaptured that form. Only in patches.
But does this mean we should never pay top money for the best players? Of course not. What about Trent Barrett?
I still don't think we have to sign the best players just players that will improve the squad. The players I have mentioned will do this.
How can you not see that?
Can I have this in writing because I think it is what your trying to say. Andy Coley and Phil Bailey would do a better job for Wigan than Carl Webb and Frank Puletua. Is that what you are saying?'"
I actually think it was Dobson that pulled us out of the muck that year, not fielden. He may have lifted morale, who wouldnt on his whopping salary I am not saying they are better, dont be silly Cadoo. I am just saying that there are worse performers currently than these two who i would much rather see going, thats all. I know it wont happen. Is IL going to want to spend such a huge amount on the pack when the people he is currently paying the most (fielden and feka) are not performing? This is the problem.
Come on now Cadoo lets quit bickering.....
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| I still think we'll re-sign Bailey, Coley and Phelps...
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| Quote: ABP' "I still think we'll re-sign Bailey, Coley and Phelps...
i think yes to Bailey and Phelps but not sure about Coley.
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