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| Quote: THEOriginalWire "I wanted to share my opinions on the wigan thread, a lot of your boys are over there, so why not come over here, after all it isn't us who have signed him, so i can say what i like over there, but i would like to discuss wigan's new signing with wigan fans. Ta.
Nice to see you get petty about it though, as though you've never been on another forum, the use of the word Dire just shows how petty, i respectfully call your club by it's name, and would expect other's to be grown up enough to do the same.'"
Put your handbag down dear, just a little bit of fun. If I knew how sensitive you'd get about the term Dire I wouldn't have used it - I'm not one for upsetting people unnecessarily, especially ones whose team haven't been champions for over half a century (hence the term). I call Saints, Stains, Leeds, Whinos etc - just a bit of friendly banter.
You seem to be trying to convince yourself about one of our signing with your posts?
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Put your handbag down dear, just a little bit of fun. If I knew how sensitive you'd get about the term Dire I wouldn't have used it - I'm not one for upsetting people unnecessarily, especially ones whose team haven't been champions for over half a century (hence the term). I call Saints, Stains, Leeds, Whinos etc - just a bit of friendly banter.
You seem to be trying to convince yourself about one of our signing with your posts?'"
I was also, having a swipe. But let's face it, if i came on here calling you goons it wouldn't go down well.
I have no need to convince myself of my own opinions on players, but as i've said, i'll be proved either right or wrong after a few appearances from Cross, but everyone else shared an opinion, and so i decided to also. Odemwingie, has been quoted as slagging off cross, but i bet that was just left to be because he's a wigan fan. Smacks of double standards really.
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| Quote: MrMeat&PotatoPie "Not a bad signing, I was always abit concerned about the size of our pack... no disrespect to Mossop or Prescott, both are fantastic at what they do. However, our pack does seem incredibly small... just lack abit of aggression really. Not helped with Fielden being out, shame really as he was possibly our best forward towards the end of last season.
Anyone know when Fielden might be back?'"
My concerns exactly with our pack when you compare it to Warrington/Huddersfield, and as you quite rightly said - it is of no dis-respect to either Prescott or Mossop who are both playing out of thier skins ATM (well prior to Prescott's injury he was). Cross is IMO a very good short-term signing and will significantly bolster our pack in both size and aggression with the likes of Fielden (when he returns), Lima, Coley, Hoffman, Hock, Lockers etc etc.
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| Quote: THEOriginalWire "I was also, having a swipe. But let's face it, if i came on here calling you goons it wouldn't go down well.
I have no need to convince myself of my own opinions on players, but as i've said, i'll be proved either right or wrong after a few appearances from Cross, but everyone else shared an opinion, and so i decided to also. Odemwingie, has been quoted as slagging off cross, but i bet that was just left to be because he's a wigan fan. Smacks of double standards really.'"
I don't go onto other clubs forums and call them Dire, Stains etc - I leave for that for here so your point on that is irrelevant.
You've obviously not read earlier posts in this thread then with other Wiganers being criticised for slagging off the signing, so again your point on that is irrelevant.
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| Quote: THEOriginalWire "I wanted to share my opinions on the wigan thread, a lot of your boys are over there, so why not come over here, after all it isn't us who have signed him, so i can say what i like over there, but i would like to discuss wigan's new signing with wigan fans. Ta.
Nice to see you get petty about it though, as though you've never been on another forum, the use of the word Dire just shows how petty, i respectfully call your club by it's name, and would expect other's to be grown up enough to do the same.'"
Ok, lets say for arguments sake that your not over here trolling or trying to convince everyone that it's a bad signing using absolute P155 poor arguments.
1 question
He signs for Wigan, never plays a game because the 4 established props play every game every week from now till the end of the season (5 if Fielden does return this year which there seems to be at least a touch of doubt over).
Would it be a bad signing?
What would Wigan have Lost?
Now then, lets say on the other Hand, just like we were trying to say to even the Wigan fans who thought it was a bad signing 3 weeks ago when Coley,Prescott,Mossop & Lima were all fully fit. What happens if we pick up just 1 injury and a suspension?
We suddenly don't look so well off in the front row do we?
If he performs well and impresses in training he comes in and he either
A/ Plays well
B/Plays Bad
Either way I don't see how Wigan lose out as it would be better than sticking Hansen/Hoffman/Hock there and buggering up the 2nd row options and/or bringing Davies/Crosby in who obviously looking at the coaches decision (And Surely no-one can argue with his track record) don't look like there ready for business end of season rugby.
If this allows Coley a bit of of flexibility from now till end of season to get the best out of him, then that's got to be Good for Wigan?
If this allows Prescott a bit more recovery time friom the knocks he's picked up this season then also Good for Wigan?
If this allows Lima to play 45/60 mins a week instead of the 70+ he's done for the last few games whilst carrying knocks then Surely (You guessed it) Good for Wigan?
If this allows Mossop (Who believe me does have a problem with the shoulder) maybe a bit of a rest somewhere on the run in then Good for Wigan?
If this means we don't have to rush Fielden back if we get injuries somewhere else in the squad, good for Wigan?
If it gives any of the above 1% or more incentive to play well then guess what? Good for WIgan?
As I said 3 weeks ago when we knew he'd signed. We'll only know how good a player for Wigan he is after he's finished the season.
For now, given the added options it gives Wigan at this point in time in Size,experience and many other areas I fail completely to see 1 Negative aspect to this signing.
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| Quote: Jukesays "Ok, lets say for arguments sake that your not over here trolling or trying to convince everyone that it's a bad signing using absolute P155 poor arguments.
1 question
He signs for Wigan, never plays a game because the 4 established props play every game every week from now till the end of the season (5 if Fielden does return this year which there seems to be at least a touch of doubt over).
Would it be a bad signing?
What would Wigan have Lost?
Now then, lets say on the other Hand, just like we were trying to say to even the Wigan fans who thought it was a bad signing 3 weeks ago when Coley,Prescott,Mossop & Lima were all fully fit. What happens if we pick up just 1 injury and a suspension?
We suddenly don't look so well off in the front row do we?
If he performs well and impresses in training he comes in and he either
A/ Plays well
B/Plays Bad
Either way I don't see how Wigan lose out as it would be better than sticking Hansen/Hoffman/Hock there and buggering up the 2nd row options and/or bringing Davies/Crosby in who obviously looking at the coaches decision (And Surely no-one can argue with his track record) don't look like there ready for business end of season rugby.
If this allows Coley a bit of of flexibility from now till end of season to get the best out of him, then that's got to be Good for Wigan?
If this allows Prescott a bit more recovery time friom the knocks he's picked up this season then also Good for Wigan?
If this allows Lima to play 45/60 mins a week instead of the 70+ he's done for the last few games whilst carrying knocks then Surely (You guessed it) Good for Wigan?
If this allows Mossop (Who believe me does have a problem with the shoulder) maybe a bit of a rest somewhere on the run in then Good for Wigan?
If this means we don't have to rush Fielden back if we get injuries somewhere else in the squad, good for Wigan?
If it gives any of the above 1% or more incentive to play well then guess what? Good for WIgan?
As I said 3 weeks ago when we knew he'd signed. We'll only know how good a player for Wigan he is after he's finished the season.
For now, given the added options it gives Wigan at this point in time in Size,experience and many other areas I fail completely to see 1 Negative aspect to this signing.'"
In your opinion.
IF he doesn't play then it will have been a mistake, because you will most likely have paid him.
If He does and adds to your squad then it will be a stroke of genius by MM, if he does play and does all well then you'll all look pretty silly for trying to say how good of a signing it has been. All i did was share my opinion, obviously an opinion shared by other wigan fans, but hey hp, lets label the warrington fan a troll for having a discussion. No wonder people refer to this board and the fans on it as the flaming third reich and the N***S.
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| is he able to play in the cup rounds or not
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| Excellent post, Jukes! All well reasoned logic - nothing Warrington trolls can intelligently say to counter your rational argument. ( No doubt one/two of them will try...!)
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| IMHO I think your all being a bit 'touchy' whenever someone dis-agrees with the Cross signing - although FWIW, truewiganer, some of your comments were quite frankly, laughable.
Anyways, when a logical argument is posted - similar to the Wire poster's above, it transcends into what can only be described as "My Dad is bigger than your Dad". Petty. I'm all for debate and whatever - honestly, but this is borderline Year 4 playground "I'm not on your on" tig stuff.
So, before I'm shortly sent to the gallows to be hung for 'treason' - I shall make my position clear:
- Good signing
- Win, win situation for everyone.
Reet, thats me done. Mr Hangman, I'm ready.
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| Quote: i8latics "is he able to play in the cup rounds or not'" Yes he is
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| Let's ignore the fact he's been absolute gash in SL and he has been gash, to deny it shows you know love all, no matter who he's played for.
It's a win win situation
He's cover for an injured prop
He's short term
If he's still gash he's gone in October
If he's good he helps you out all the way till October and provides an extra option.
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| Quote: i8latics "is he able to play in the cup rounds or not'"
round, singular.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "Let's ignore the fact he's been absolute gash in SL and he has been gash, to deny it shows you know love all, no matter who he's played for.
It's a win win situation
He's cover for an injured prop
He's short term
If he's still gash he's gone in October
If he's good he helps you out all the way till October and provides an extra option.'"
Nail. Head. Smashed it.
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| So no short term signing can ever have a negative effect (according to wigan fans).... good to know.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "Let's ignore the fact he's been absolute gash in SL and he has been gash, to deny it shows you know love all, no matter who he's played for.
It's a win win situation
He's cover for an injured prop
He's short term
If he's still gash he's gone in October
If he's good he helps you out all the way till October and provides an extra option.'"
Quote: Horatio Yed "So no short term signing can ever have a negative effect (according to wigan fans).... good to know.'" Quote: Horatio Yed "Quote: Horatio Yed "is he able to play in the cup rounds or not'"
round, singular.
Please stop trolling wire boys, its not nice on the wiganers, this is where they have THEIR opinions, all of ours are nothing but trolling attempts.
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