oh dear, I can't be bothered with this discussion anymore.

Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Because on the field away from tackling up he offers very little.'" He doesn't though and that's the problem! One example but i'm sure there are others on how a predominantly defensive 2nd row compare favourably against other types of players www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... ason=2009c England international www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Young player of the year www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Hardly ineffective

Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Because on the field away from tackling up he offers very little.'" He doesn't though and that's the problem! One example but i'm sure there are others on how a predominantly defensive 2nd row compare favourably against other types of players www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... ason=2009c England international www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Young player of the year www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Hardly ineffective

Seriously. I understand stats are facts.

But once again this thread has become off topic and onto Hansen.

Say what you want, but is he as good as lockers? no. or hock or tomkins? no. So that rules him out of the back row.

Now..

Hansen or Mossop/Farrell/Flanny. If one of the three are better than Hansen who should be in?

Or are you now saying Hansen is better than the starting back 3?

Or are you say IF the 3 in the reserves are better they shouldn't be in?

Seriously.. come on.

Look you said he offer very little in attack and that was my main problem.

His attacking stats compare well with the three above one of which is a prop and two are England internationals! He hardly offers nothing as you say or can you finally admit your wrong on that one and that your opinion is based on nothing concrete?

Hansen is better than all the reserve back rowers that you mention so it’s a none starter! Why keep going over it? He’s is still quite young himself also btw.

I'd also start him over Hock as i see Hock as an impact player. Is Hansen better than Lockers? Again it's all opinions but he could well be In some aspects of his game and if he works on the other parts I fully expect him to be a better player at 26 than what Lockers is now.

Im sorry but I think you are going slighty off topic with Hansen here, you stated at the start he was overrated, so in answer to your statement no he isn't, if anything he is underrated.

I think it was Rogues who was saying in the SR who will have a defensive player, a player who makes the runs (attacking) and another player who just adds that something extra special like an extra playmaker, so to speak.

At Wigan you have Hansen as defensive, Tomkins as the attacking and Hock as the special player.

They each have different roles in the SR, Hansen's job isn't always attack and score tries it is to defend, but considering this he still gets through a lot of work in attack and comes up with his fair share in tries.

Hansen at the moment is better than Mossop, Flanagan or Farrell and out of them 3 I can only see Mossop and Farrell being the ones to make it.

I know it's all about opinions but

Lockers can do the tackle work and offer far more in attack!

How can you not see that? Which leaves Hock and Tomkins to make up the back three..

For you stat lovers check out who's the top tackler (Lockers).

As much as you rate Hansen (which infact backs up the initial point of discussion) He isn't as good as the other 3 starters. His place in the 17 is at the expense of someone else, he's average!

Hock as an impact? Why not have him on for most of the game? He has the fitness and effectiveness to be on the field for much longer.

We are all Wigan fans, we all want the team to succeed, however we have different opinions on how to get the most from the team we have, hence the whole entirety of this website... discussion.

I will not admit 'I'm wrong' as someone asked me to, I hope their goal isn't of my admittance because my opinion is my opinion.

I have never once told someone they are wrong etc, simply because it's their own opinion and to them they aren't wrong.

The thread was developed as IN MY OPINION certain players are overrated, I put this out there as a point of discussion, some will agree and some won't.

Thats life.

Lockers has played had more game time than Hansen, so of course he is going to make more tackles and he has been played at LF for most of the season not in the SR.

It's based on nothing tho! Tell me why does he offer nothing in attack in your opinion? If you want to have your opinions taken seriously they must have some grounding or basis with which to prove them. You could say the sky is made of cheese and it may be your opinion but it's wrong! You said Hansen offers very little in attack but yet the stats show that he holds his own against plenty of others in the league including the young player of the year!

I’d put Hock as an impact player as he can turn a game when coming off the bench much in the same way Feka. It’s not about if he could do 80 mins or not its where he has the greatest effect on the team.

In regards to my original post about Hansen vs Lockers I did say if Hansen works on getting involved more in the game and improving the other aspects which aren’t as strong as his excellent defence much in the same way JJB did at Leeds he can be a better player than Lockers is now in a few years time.

Look, surely there is someone else you can argue with.
Give Hansen the ball, he'll run directly at the line then take the tackle. Not offload not break the line or even look at threat to the opposition.

This will happen 9/10 with him.

This thread now as the impression that I'm against Hansen, I'm not at all, just think he's strong in defense and no threat to opposition thats it.

Leave it at that.