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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I'd guess that if we can't get someone out of the club there is no chance of Hampshire coming back this season on purely salary cap basis. Radlinski has already stated in that interview that the have had to apply for salary cap dispensation to allow the likes of Bretherton, Wells, Waterworth etc to play. Once a player outside your 25 highest earners plays for the first team then his years salary counts FULLY on the cap, even if he only plays one game.
So if Hampshire came back how would he fit under the cap (I am presuming that he on Cas's salary cap for this season, not Wigans)'"
There used to be a clause to allow dispensation for season-ending injuries, but I'm not sure if that's the case anymore (thinking about MM's wage here). Dunno about loan players, but it would seem unfair and illogical for Rocky to count fully on both caps (ours and Cas) at the same time. Not that logic is the RFL's strong point, I admit.
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| the recall clause said something about serious or long term injury to one of our half backs. I'm assuming we would need some sort of evidence to support this.
Based on What rads says about Williams it may be difficult to provide this.
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| Quote: Geoff "There used to be a clause to allow dispensation for season-ending injuries, but I'm not sure if that's the case anymore (thinking about MM's wage here). Dunno about loan players, but it would seem unfair and illogical for Rocky to count fully on both caps (ours and Cas) at the same time. Not that logic is the RFL's strong point, I admit.'"
There still is a clause to allow clubs to apply for dispensation on the cap due to injury. However you would also have to prove that there are no kids ready to step up and play (and playing them would be dangerous) to generally be successful at this.
A loaned player counts entirely on the cap of the club he is loaned to, regardless of who is paying if wage. However, if he returns to the loaning club, his entire salary is moved off the loanee club and onto the loaners - this is due to the live nature of the cap.
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| Jesus, you'd think he was Jonathan Thurston the way people are going on about him. We'll be fine when players are back, no medals given out in April. Stop panicking.
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| Quote: Geoff "There used to be a clause to allow dispensation for season-ending injuries, but I'm not sure if that's the case anymore (thinking about MM's wage here). Dunno about loan players, but it would seem unfair and illogical for Rocky to count fully on both caps (ours and Cas) at the same time. Not that logic is the RFL's strong point, I admit.'"
As Magic Superbeetle alludes to the cap doesn't work in the straight forward manner your making out.
Best/Simplest (Although maybe not 100% accurate as there will be subtle small print) is that if you imagine each club can pay £150,000 per month on wages (Assuming players are paid monthly and a salary cap of 1.8m etc.) they can't spend over that each month.
Your wages have to stay Pro-rata per month under the yearly Cap amount
You can't pay £160k one month and then £140k the next month as the month you pay £160k in you are over the cap as the Full salary for those players would be 1.92m over the year(160k x 12months).
So Hampshire's wages are currently being counted on Castleford's Cap for the year as above however if he came back to Wigan it would free up space on Castleford's and count towards Wigan's from that point.
"If" Wigan are currently paying say £148k per month in Salary cap counting wages (Excluding Long service, Marquee etc. exemptions) and Hampshire was say earning £4k Per month (That's a 48k salary for the year which I am not saying he is on just using for illustration purposes) then we couldn't Bring him back unless we freed up another 2k on the cap Monthly which would mean loaning/releasing players for the period Hampshire played/stayed at Wigan.
Once got a Tutorial from DaveO on this matter and that was the best way I could understand it!
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| Quote: Jukesays "As Magic Superbeetle alludes to the cap doesn't work in the straight forward manner your making out.
Best/Simplest (Although maybe not 100% accurate as there will be subtle small print) is that if you imagine each club can pay £150,000 per month on wages (Assuming players are paid monthly and a salary cap of 1.8m etc.) they can't spend over that each month.
Your wages have to stay Pro-rata per month under the yearly Cap amount
You can't pay £160k one month and then £140k the next month as the month you pay £160k in you are over the cap as the Full salary for those players would be 1.92m over the year(160k x 12months).
So Hampshire's wages are currently being counted on Castleford's Cap for the year as above however if he came back to Wigan it would free up space on Castleford's and count towards Wigan's from that point.
"If" Wigan are currently paying say £148k per month in Salary cap counting wages (Excluding Long service, Marquee etc. exemptions) and Hampshire was say earning £4k Per month (That's a 48k salary for the year which I am not saying he is on just using for illustration purposes) then we couldn't Bring him back unless we freed up another 2k on the cap Monthly which would mean loaning/releasing players for the period Hampshire played/stayed at Wigan.
Once got a Tutorial from DaveO on this matter and that was the best way I could understand it!'"
Thanks for the info you should offer your services to our PM re financial matters , also can you tell me what state pension I will get when I finally reach the winning post because I have no idea
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| Quote: 21-12 "Jesus, you'd think he was Jonathan Thurston the way people are going on about him. We'll be fine when players are back, no medals given out in April. Stop panicking.'"
This.
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| Quote: rochdale warrior "Thanks for the info you should offer your services to our PM re financial matters , also can you tell me what state pension I will get when I finally reach the winning post because I have no idea'"
You don't have to worry about the State one!
Just keep raking in the Private one that I'm grafting away to keep you in your Luxury lifestyle. (But be sure to leave some for me though - Desperately hoping there's a few Cold snaps to make sure there's some left for me when I go!)
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| Looks like Mr Gelling has been giving out some light hearted advice to Mr Crosby on Twitter..
Anthony Gelling @AnthonyGelling
Good luck @domcrosby on his return from injury tonight, pretty please scrag @RyanHampshire head clean off for me #feedemtothelions
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| Thought Hampshire had a good game last night and was one of our better players.
He seemed to get some rough treatment above and beyond the norm (particularly high shots) but handled himself well. Made me wonder if he isn't well liked in the Wigan camp though!?
Dorn will be out for a while yet so he is going to have the opportunity to really stake a claim for our full back spot for the rest of the season. The sooner he realises this is his best position (at the moment) the better.
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| In some ways, I expected Hampshire to be massive for Cas last night, but while I didn't think he did anything especially wrong, he wasn't outstanding.
Some of the guff that Yorkshire lad was posting on here earlier in the week would have us believe that Wigan treated him like doodah and some kind of awesome retaliation would happen last night.
But, for whatever reason, it didn't.
Despite that. I still hope we keep him.
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "Thought Hampshire had a good game last night and was one of our better players.
He seemed to get some rough treatment above and beyond the norm (particularly high shots) but handled himself well. Made me wonder if he isn't well liked in the Wigan camp though!?
Dorn will be out for a while yet so he is going to have the opportunity to really stake a claim for our full back spot for the rest of the season. The sooner he realises this is his best position (at the moment) the better.'"
We did go for him but I think it was all friendly competitiveness amongst mates rather then a genuine dislike.
He was solid as a rock last night. Good to see.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "We did go for him but I think it was all friendly competitiveness amongst mates rather then a genuine dislike.
He was solid as a rock last night. Good to see.'"
Agree, he took all the high balls, defended reasonably well and ran the ball back hard. The thing I don't understand is the way he is being used. Last night he was being pushed out wide and Wigans sliding defence dealt with it comfortably. I think he would have caused us a lot more problems supporting in and around the play the ball area where his speed and footwork would have been difficult to defend against especially as the bigger forwards tired.
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| last night was a direct comparison to the 2 players in Wigan who have played at 1 this year.
Sarge was a shout for MoM, and Tierney also had an excellent game on the wing.
Rocky was solid but didnt really add anything special, and was 3rd best of those 3.
On that basis, he is better off getting game time at Cas and trying to build on his confidence.
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| Quote: Jukesays "You don't have to worry about the State one!
Just keep raking in the Private one that I'm grafting away to keep you in your Luxury lifestyle. (But be sure to leave some for me though - Desperately hoping there's a few Cold snaps to make sure there's some left for me when I go!)
Well it's snowing again here today ! Summer rugby ? Not sure when that will start .
Unfortunately the small pension I do receive will not fund all day cross pennine coach outings ! I do possess a navigational aid that will work in the aforementioned vehicles , this can be loaned out for a small fee !
As an aside SW mentioned coach trips in his Wakefield post game interview , any connection ?
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