I too have defended him but he got it wrong today and the book stops with him.

Game plan and selection wrong for the occasion and conditions.

Agreed.

Starting Havard and Partington in the front row was absolutely insane.

I think Partington only made about 20m all game.

Hopefully Havard's injury isn't serious.

Another epic failure in a big match, all credit to Leeds for playing the conditions perfectly, taken to school today by Gale and the Leeds pack.

Have we?

This side as it stands has lost every big game it has played in and has been bullied in several others.

From the 2018 side we've lost the relentless aggression of Bateman, the work rate of Sutton, Clubb and Flower are shadows of the players they were then and Greenwood has gone backwards.

Lockers is 2 years older and 400 injuries further on, and while he does make us a better side he just cannot do 80 anymore and we have nobody that can genuinely replace him.

The young lads like Olly P, Havard, Shorrocks, Smithies are good players but they need a big house in there with them and the two we signed are e.

It's similar to 05 when we had some great young lads in SOL, Hock, Brown that were the best of those around but had nobody to help them out and they got smashed around the park.

It’s nearly impossible to bring through a number of good young Props at the same time and be competitive.

Some big decisions to be made on that front.

I’d personally be focusing on Harvard and Kilner, however it becomes more complicated with the NRL lurking on the horizon.

One thing is evident we have massive issues in the Prop department for many reasons most of them our own making which is the most disappointing factor in that.

Totally agree.

Not to mention that Wanery manages to get an extra 20% out of every player that Lam seems totally incapable of doing.

I think the NRL will make those decisions for us. We'll get whoever is left.

That performance has knocked me sick today, just truly pathetic. Feeling greatful that fans can’t attend games because I don’t know if I could bring myself to watch.

Signings this year sum it up

Burgess - speaks for itself
Hastings - would rather be anywhere but Wigan
Bibby - only reason we signed him was because he is from Wigan. Might aswell have signed my 63 year old dad for what he offers
Clark - why did he even pop up on our radar?

On top of that giving contract extensions to Lam, Clubb, Leuluai and O’Loughlin, some very bad decisions have been made.

Tommy is going well IMO, and Hastings looked absolutely fuming at full time.

Bibby is a shocker of a signing, I just don’t see what he offers.

He isn’t particularly quick, has no evasion or handling skills to speak of. It wouldn’t have made a difference today but moving forward I fail to see what Bibby offers that Hankinson doesn’t.

What's Bibby done wrong? He's not tearing it up but don't think he's been that bad either.

He is a reasonable back up option but in reality offers very little.

Summed up above, not big, not fast, not really evasive, doesn’t make big meters, not a winger so not particularly versatile.

When you consider we swapped him for Sarg not a particularly good bit of business. I appreciate wages may not be proportionate but we will never know that.

I’d much rather Hank get a run in future over him.

He's been solid, but i'm not sure that is enough at centre in a supposed top side.

Fair enough. Hard to argue but I'm not prepared to write Bibby off yet after so few games. Impressed with his leg drive when he scored a try out of nothing in a 1 point win against Wakey. I've noticed a few times he often seems to make a lot of yards after contact.