We can't need it?

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This off field stuff? What is it, because if it is the same as last time Wigan would have to tell WADA and Hock would be banned, so that's not it.

Apparently the WEP will have IL's take on it tomorrow according to Phil Wilkinson on Twitter.

I can't see any good coming from this deal, our squad has been weakened so much in the last two years it beggers belief. Wane will be out of a job in 12 months because we won't win anything next year, then Sam's on his way. Great. More £££ in the bank.

I'm sick to death of people moaning about "ins and outs" over the past 2/3 seasons. The simple fact is, the salary cap prevents us from replacing top class players with top class players. There aren't enough top class players knocking about in super duper league and I suppose it's about bringing in the best of a bad bunch that will make us compete in SL, even if hock goes I'd still stay our squad is in the top 3 best in the league which speaks volumes for this league. Unless the cap changes this is how it will be from now on, the best players will go to union or the NRL. People moan about our signings but let me ask you this, who would you have rather had that was AVAILABLE. For Christ sake stop moaning and get on with it.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

Given he deliberately moved away from the way Madge did things why do you think he will do this? He clearly thought Madge's approach was wrong.



That pack will get beaten more often than it isn't and what happens if we pick up one or two injuries? Far too much pressure on Hansen and Lockers and if Wane continues with his nonsensical full contact training half of them [iwill [/ibe out injured 2/3 of the way through the season. Isn't Hughes destined for the centres anyway? Where you get the idea Hock wouldn't even get in a team coached by Madge God only knows.

Care to point me in the direction if the right tree?

The pack will get beaten more often than it isn't? Give over. Who will beat it apart from wire, leeds and possibly saints. All of a sudden we are a mid table team then? Even though we are playing in the WORST super league standards since super league began?

If we didn't sell 'em we wouldn't need to replace 'em would we!



When the quality is already at the club and we sell it then we are not looking at an availability problem are we?

As to availability then clearly anyone is available given the standard of player we are supposed to be making available ourselves. All we have to do is ask and for the right fee we can have who we like. Can't we? It's the way it seem to work when clubs come knocking on our door.

Westwood?

"If we didn't sell em"

Sometimes you can't stop a player leaving and il be honest, if I was Gareth hock is take a 50% wage increase and a nice apartment over looking the beach, playing in the best league in the world over seeing scholes flats through my window and playing at belle vue on a Sunday afternoon.....wouldn't you?

I don't like losing players, however I would rather give them longer term contracts and cash in rather than two year contracts and let them go for nothing.

That's my guess of who he's on about but surely nobody can see it?

He plays for the team with the most financial clout in the league, who IMO have the best squad, who haven't had any of their current front line players leave and he's just signed an extended contract in his testimonial year.

It'd need to be some offer!!!

As good as he is, we have a player who takes the role of workhorse second row in Hansen.

Don't get me wrong I think Westwood is superior to Hansen, but we need strike if we are to replace Hock, and Westwood does not fulful that role.

The salary cap doesn't prevent us from holding players to the contracts they sign though - that's probably one of the main gripes people have.

And I think people are also well within their right to show their concern or "moan" as you put it with our ins and outs over the past two seasons. You highlight the reasons why our ins and outs have been poor yet rather than just "getting on with it" I think people would like to see something done about it!

The fact that it always seems to be our players is what gets me. But hey, the season hasn't even started yet so cheer up! We won the hubcap with a very young team last year. Scott Taylor looks a prospect. And I am sure we will see Faz come on leaps and bounds this year when hock probably leaves.

Just think...


Atleast were not wire!!

Do what about it though?