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| Well, I guess there's something to be said for owning up to his actions.
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| Quote alanpdodd="alanpdodd"No he thinks that if you took recreational drugs and got caught then you and your employer should be punished.
Apparently in RL when losing an international from the squad and potentially that player never comming back to the game it's just not enough to have the gap in the squad which must be filled by a less experienced player. For some reason the club must be punished for something that may have happened outside of the country nevermind outside of working hours. Something that the players already know what the punishment is and still manage to put their income at risk for.
For players like Newton who have a wife and kids where losing the major and possibly only income are at stake what exactly could the club do as a punishment worse than the potential to lose your financial security, house, future income etc. If the players can't see the risk to their family do we think they would care about a few point being docked?
Also with the fine/points etc, whats to stop a disgruntled player at the end of his career taking some perfromance enhancing "fat burner" and having a test to give the club he has fallen out with a kick in the teeth on the way out?'"
so go on then. tell us something useful and give us a suggestion of how to solve this issue. cos at the minute all we have is a player getting caught and his club waiting to re-employ him. what a message that sends out!!! (that is if he isnt already still employed)
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| It's called a second chance. Taking a drug recreationally and taking a drug for its performance enhancing capabilities are two different matters. Each case has to be treated on its own individual merit. Although i'd like the Hock situation to be cleared up, i think we need to take however long is necessary. The guy probably needs professional help and it wouldn't be very fair to kick him to the curb without giving him a some support. Sure, if he stuffs it up, then it's out the door, but that's a clause that every prospective employer would have in Hock's new contract...
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| Quote YICKER="YICKER"trust me he didnt'"
my thoughts exactly, wasn't it called the monday club or something
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| Quote pk="pk"so go on then. tell us something useful and give us a suggestion of how to solve this issue. cos at the minute all we have is a player getting caught and his club waiting to re-employ him. what a message that sends out!!! (that is if he isnt already still employed)'"
Still dont think hock should be banned from playing rl, however newton should never be allowed to cross the threshold of a rugby club ever again! Certainly not in an employed role.
Taking performance enhancing drugs, is the lowest of the low in sports. It is impossible to prove and he wont admit it, but he should as they do in athletics, be made to payback/giveback all monies and titles that he has earned in his time on the steriods!
If that includes our challenge cup win so be it!
That may seem harsh on his team mates, but cheats should never ever ever be allowed to prosper!
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| Quote Sharpy_4a="Sharpy_4a"Taking performance enhancing drugs, is the lowest of the low in sports. '"
According to the reports at the time of the Hock story, cocaine has a performance-enhancing metabolite. In the light of that do you still think Hock shouldn't have been banned?
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| saints fan cocaine DOES NOT COME UNDER PERFOMACE ENHANCING and has never been taken for performance
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| This is exactly what Paul Cullen was on about on Boots N All - the myth that growth hormone can't be detected. All of you who have RL background, current or past, will more than likely of heard of this drug. Many players believe that it is un-detectable, although this belief stems from the amateur scene. There's no smoke without fire though and I suspect maybe a few more SL players will be counting thier lucky stars it wasn't them.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"According to the reports at the time of the Hock story, cocaine has a performance-enhancing metabolite. In the light of that do you still think Hock shouldn't have been banned?'"
No he should have been and was banned to the extent of the law, I honestly dont think anyone believes hock took it as a steriod!
Anyone taking steriods by any mean intentional or not is responsible for what passes through their body, I said kc should have never played again, i said hudson should never have played again and i say newton should never be allowed to play again.
However hocks is and was a completley different thing so he should be allowed back after his ban, as a driver would after being caught drink driving.
ps also if the player in question was wearing cherry and white i would still say they should never play again.
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| Quote Sharpy_4a="Sharpy_4a"No he should have been and was banned to the extent of the law, I honestly dont think anyone believes hock took it as a steriod!
Anyone taking steriods by any mean intentional or not is responsible for what passes through their body, I said kc should have never played again, i said hudson should never have played again and i say newton should never be allowed to play again.
However hocks is and was a completley different thing so he should be allowed back after his ban, as a driver would after being caught drink driving.
ps also if the player in question was wearing cherry and white i would still say they should never play again.'"

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| Quote Sharpy_4a="Sharpy_4a"However hocks is and was a completley different thing so he should be allowed back after his ban, as a driver would after being caught drink driving.'"
Aside from the fact that using cocaine is actually illegal, so he broke the law, like I said earlier, there is a metabolite in cocaine which is [iperformance enhancing[/i. Whether it is a steroid or not is irrelevant, since steroids are only one form of performance enhancing drug. There are many different forms of performance enhancing drug and all of them are on the banned list, in addition to other drugs which create risk to the players themselves and to other players (and that includes alcohol).
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