So after winning the trophy, Hanley then lost his first 3 games of the next season, therefore he had made us weaker in your opinion?

Ideal Coach in world - Wayne Bennett

Ideal Coach currently in UK - Shaun Mcrae

Likely coach that Lenagan will sign on the cheap - Ellery Hanley

That bit might make a difference.

No, not really. I am enjoying the view from afar, so I don't know the whole ins and outs. I don't rate Hanley, and it seems that Wigan fans are doing what Leeds United did at the end of the seventies: bring back some playing greats and everything will be fine. Maybe it would work with Edwards, and he does have genuine coaching credentials (albeit in a much simpler sport - kick, roll in the mud, kick, fly half lays it off to centre coming on the inside, roll in the mud, penalty, take the three points). But if you want a Wigan great, is it Hanley? If personality is all it takes to win Super League, why isn't Dale Winton in charge at St Helens?

I was just querying the obsession with Hanley coming back, when I wonder whether Hanley himself holds Wigan in any great esteem. He is a Leeds lad, was heavily involved in the Leeds set up, and stayed living in Leeds even when he was at Wigan.

As for Noble, he is good at one thing: grunt. It worked once, when he built a side around it. Things have moved on.

No Hanley improved you by winning the trophy and improving performance.

Noblesw best performances as Wigan coach were in the relegation year, we have not improved since then, the points for and against will confirm this, the start to this season will confirm this.

So after we won the trophy, we then lost the next 3 games he coached us in. By your argument, the start to the season would confirm that performance had dropped?

No but the evidence of the last year would!

Are you on glue?!

Last year we were crap, the before we were crap, this year we have been crap.

How is that 3 games evidence?!

Fine. The last time I saw Hanley he was falling on his harris on an ice rink. If you want him to lead Wigan to your next period of success, then fine. I'm not bothered either way. You keep on looking to your past while Hudds and Saints snap up talent like Brown and Potter.

Sorry but I don't think people are facing up to the deep-seated nature of the problems at Wigan. People tend to fixate on the coach OR the signing of the wrong players/failure to sign the right players for the right position OR the apparent lack of fitness of a number of our players OR the poor tactics OR Lockers isn't a good captain etc etc.

The facts are that the whole club has lost its way. Nothing has improved since Mo left. If anything the culture of accepting second best has become more entrenched, with the new phenomenon of "not football related issues" causing problems behind the scenes. All the signs are that the club needs a clear out from top to bottom - playing, coaching and backroom staff (and judging from another thread on this board the marketing staff who allow merchandise to be issued with basic spelling errors!).

Ultimately for me the buck stops with the man at the top, IL.

He must be very concerned at the malaise at the club but there is very little evidence he is prepared to or able to do anything about it.

I have to say that I am very worried for the future of the club.

For me Brian Noble is not the one at fault! Granted he has us playing rugby that is crap but he is not the one who comes up with all the errors. I was a massive Noble critic up until tonight after speaking to a current player. 90% of them need firing off, people talk about Warringtons problems, they have seen frig all.........

if your going to make the play offs they'd better get their act together as this must be their worse start to SL,

Stop trying to punch above your weight you come on trying to be quite knowledgeable about game but give no backbone to the comments you make

next up
Quins A
Bradford H
Leeds A
not looking good for the foreseeable games

I don't think that Ellery ever did anything on the cheap, he will costalot

Wigan need a young up and coming coach, with an experienced man in the background helping him.

I'd go for Adrian Lam and David Waite