Havard looks shot. Desperately needs a rest after carrying the weight of the entire pack on his shoulders for far too long.

I appreciate we have signed Mago and Ellis for next year, not both are still kids in real terms in their positions.

We desperately need another 28-31 year old battled hardened prop.

Lams turned on the players now

I’d like another but it looks unlikely. On the plus side from tonight, Singleton looked to carry on his upturn in form from before his ban. One play tonight summed up how the game really isn’t rocket science and that was Bateman throwing a short ball to Singleton in the second half. He absolutely steamed on to it, broke the line and went close to scoring. Why does it seem impossible for our players to show that sort of aggressive running on a regular basis?

Just watched the game and the Sky comments again and they’ve at least gone down the line fo questioning Lam’s position. Having been in the ground tonight it came across far worse on TV actually. The general apathy in the stadium and the comments from Lam I’ve just read from his interviews with different press, I just can’t see him lasting until lunch tomorrow if Lenagan has any ounce of respect for the club and fans who’ve stuck by the club. I note that Gildart was dragged off, I think after the comment on the screen where he said ‘don’t blame me blame the pass.’ If only Lam had been as ruthless with some other players in his tenure we may not have fallen quite as far. I won’t complain if Gildart doesn’t play again for us though. Shambles of a performance and by the looks of it an attitude to match.

I would love to buy a training session season ticket, they sound great.

On one of our attacks we had all the momentum. Hastings was carrying it we had the overlap on the right edge but nobody pushed up with him.

In the end Hastings put in a grubber.

If he had push around him we would have walked in the try.

That happened a few times. The absolute lack of basics is embarrassing.

The dressing room is lost and player power is in progress.

Don’t forget you also have the best Full Back in World Rugby too!!

Gildart has been simply embarrassing this year and shouldn’t play for us again.

I was defending him for weeks coming back from a long injury lay off but he should return his wage his week. Glad he got hooked.

Play Halsall at left centre or Bibby there and Halsall right wing for our final 4 defeats

I was in that boat and I still want to be but after last night I can’t disagree. He was simply embarrassing. West Tigers must be thinking what they’ve signed here. I’d be amazed if he gets a reserve grade shot never mind an NRL shot.

I was ridiculed by some on here for suggesting Gildart should have been left out as soon as he signed for West’s . He’s going through the motions , his form is shocking , and I doubt he will do anything in the NRL . And please do not welcome him back with open arms in 12 months time .

Last time no try in three consecutive games was 1933 (4-19 v Salford away in the League, 2-14 v Salford away in the play offs, 6-22 v Warrington away in the league the following year). There was no tackle count back then. A try was only worth 3 points so no surprises that kicks were more frequent.

Last time no try in three consecutive home games was 1904 (2-2 v Leeds in the league, 6-0 v Leigh in the South West Lancashire League, 2-5 v Salford in the League). I'm guessing that wasn't that big an issue though as we drew one and won one of those three, and there were away games where we scored tries in between. It was still 15 a side and the game stopped for a scrum after every tackle.

Did you get that match report for the 1903 games from Rogues?