Two marquee players
Two players who consider themselves too good for superleague and are off to the NRL
One club legend
One World Cup winner
One dual code international
Six internationals

No points.

Utter shambles.

Got to agree.
Wane signs players so the team can play a ‘steam-pig’ game.
If Matin Offian was available today as he was all those years ago, Wane wouldn’t sign him. He prefers the Willie Isa type.
Williams is too bulked up which has slowed him down. If he was playing for Saints, he would be outstanding.

It’s becoming evident that there are issues behind the scenes effecting the players. Is it any coincidence ST and SW announce their off and our performances take a nose dive?

The body language, the lethargicness, the sheer lack of attitude to win was astounding but what was more disconcerting was the soft defence attitude. That’s not a Wigan attitude we’ve seen since 2006 and it certainly is not a Shaun Wane team attitude.

I don’t want to make it sound like a crisis after two poor games; but I am starting to wonder whether Wane should leave early?

I counted four. Utterly shambolic performance, live on BBC as well.

We have been averaging five tries a match (and playing some good rugby), however we're currently on one try in 160 minutes. Are the wheels coming off? Have we been sussed? Can the players be ar$ed?

Most SL teams would have beaten us today.

The sooner we get to the end of the Wane regime the better for me, Let’s get rid of some dead wood, get a coach in who can add finesse and finally get us away from having 13 props on the field

If the coach for 2019 has been identified and is available, then I think he will do just that. Our season could collapse pretty quickly if the last two weeks' performances are what is in store.

Where else would you play him? Or just drop him?

It’ll depend heavily on the Wakefield away result on Thursday. I could foresee Winder taking over the reigns until the seasons end with a new coach inbound after.

Part of the issue for me as well is that we haven’t announced a new coach. I know these things can take time but IL needs to have one in place ASAP so players and potential new players know who they may be playing under come 2019.

Before today I thought dropping him was out of the question due to a lack of options in the squad. Don’t think think it would do us or him any harm now after that to see him on the sidelines. As for the future, he’s physically built like a solid 9 and is sadly for a ‘marquee 6’ playing like one. Isolate his skills at the minute and he’s basically playing like a 9 who jump out of dummy half, runs up his own backside and then puts a kick in. Sad thing is he’s doing it in open play and killing us.

So... where would you play him?

Robin Park. In the reserves.

Based on our lack of go forward at 9, I’d play him there at the moment with the instruction to jump out of dummy half. He could easily play a similar role to what Daryl Clarke did today. Where would you play him?

the poor management states at 6 as its all weve got. stuck with a poor 6 on top money and letting better players go.

I often think that differ ent types of halfback can compliment each other.
Williams looked good when he played alongside Matty Smith & vice versa.
Smith did the basic stuff and that left Williams to be more off the cuff

If you upset the apple cart get shut now Wane needs to go can not be any worse that what we did do day, try and keep Bateman at all costs give him Williams money.