Thats a very interesting stage of victimhood.

It's nothing to do with victimhood - that would involve going onto another club's fansite to express these views - it is a reflection of the gap between reality and perception. The reality is that since 2010, built on our all conquering junior teams, we have performed in big games more than any other club. And yet there is still hardly a big game that we play where the general RL consensus is that we are not under dogs. We even had Saints fans suggesting their team was "clearly superior" to ours on here before Good Friday. None since then, oddly enough.
We are a very good team, with a slightly more recent track record than Leeds in winning the games that matter. Our forward are very good and our backs are very good.
It may be Leeds' opinion that our back row of Farrell, Bateman and Lockers is less impressive than one comprising, say, Delaney, Achurch and Ablett, but I simply can't see it myself. Taylor is as good as any prop in the competition, and McIllorum dominates his opposite number in these sorts of game time and time again. In the backs, the only change from last year (where we both won 2 games) is Briscoe for BJB, a marginal improvement, but hardly earth shattering.
I think the default position for most rational observers should be that a Wigan side with its spine fully fit will be very hard to beat indeed in a big game.
We can travel in confidence.

No the victimhood would be seeing people saying Wigan weren’t capable of winning a big game, when nobody has said that was the case.
The Victimhood would be the complaint that people see Bateman, O’loughlin, and Farrell as inferior to Ablett, Achurch and Delany despite nobody at all making that assertion
The victimhood would be arbitrarily picking 2010 to start your comparison because it favours Wigan, a year later, or a year earlier and the comparison changes.
The victimhood would be being so insecure about your club that you not only couldn’t admit that team or squad was better (even though again, no one has made this assertion) but also taking insult at saying one part of that team was superior to their counterparts.

I wasn't taking offence, or bothered in the slighest. I was trying to make sense of your "victimhood" comment. You may be thin skinned, but you need not concern yourself that others are so afflicted.
My points about our excellent back row were in response to comments about our pack, and should be read in the broader context of the paragraph of which they form part.
I chose 2010 for the obvious reason that that was when our current structure/team took shape.
You lost me about "insecurity", so I cannot really address that point, save that
the day a long standing Wigan fan needs to feel insecure about anything is, I suspect, some way off. Dismissively arrogant from time to time might be a more effective jibe. Feel free to try that one.

Made me chuckle...

Do we really need praise from pundits? They talk out their backside most of the time anyway.

Opposition fans are quite often bitter as well and theres plenty Wigan fans who are bitter towards other teams.

I think between us fellow fans we can judge how well we have played and if we are happy. Surely as current double winners we don't need anybody else to tell us how good we are?

heard Lockers may be a doubt?

Anyone heard anything?

I've heard he's out

I was told this morning that he's out.

Fair post in all (except you have our 3/4 line backwards).

McIlorum is captain.

I suppose you are still not impressed by Leeds after their win last night?

they was good but still think come the end of the season we will win when it matters. Be interesting a Magic weekend neutral ground and we can see how influential O'loughlin is.

Seriously...?

You've won a few titles and CC's in that time and you're kicking off because you don't think wigan are getting enough praise? Who gives a sh*t as long as you're winning trophies?

Don't worry, I'm sure the commentary team will have plenty of praise for wigan around october time.

In every game the SKY people only summerise about the winners.
It was obvious from early on that we were going to struggle and were unlikely to win. So the praise on Leeds was overwhelming, especially that all seven of the SKY commentary team were banging on about it.
Leeds were the better team, they deserved their win and their fans have every right to feel pleased after last night.
Any level headed fan from either club knows full well we are only 10+ games into the League and Cup season. There is a very long way to go yet but one thing is certain Leeds and Wigan will be around come the season's end games.